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Guasto Titanico

panaceanot — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:03:21 -0800

Cruise Captain says he 'tripped' into lifeboat and couldn't get out. Audio recording of an Italian Coast Guard Captain telling him to get back on board [Transcript]

By: rebent

rebent — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:07:48 -0800

I've been hearing about this on NPR this week. I hope he gets hit with the full force of the law.

By: You Can't Tip a Buick

You Can't Tip a Buick — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:10:56 -0800

By: peeedro

peeedro — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:11:04 -0800

Italy's Cruise Crisis Spawns An Unlikely Star

Five days after a cruise liner slammed into rocks off Italy's Tuscan coast, the country is gripped by the contrasting profiles of two key figures in the drama — the captain charged with abandoning ship and the captain who demanded he get back onboard. For many Italians, the accident has become a metaphor for a country that sees itself mired in economic and moral decline. Francesco Schettino, the disgraced captain of the 1,000-foot-long floating palace known as the Costa Concordia, is under house arrest on suspicion of multiple manslaughter, shipwreck and abandoning ship. During the four-minute conversation hours after the collision, an increasingly enraged De Falco orders Schettino to return to the ship and help coordinate the evacuation of the many remaining passengers. "You've abandoned ship! I'm in charge now," De Falco rages at Schettino, who was apparently in a rowboat at this time. "Go back and report to me how many passengers [are still onboard] and what they need. ... Perhaps you saved yourself from the sea, but I'll make you pay for this, dammit!" Schettino can be heard trying to refuse the order. "You don't understand, it's dark here. Can't see anything," he says. "What is it, you want to go home Schettino?" De Falco spits out. "It's dark and you want to go home?" Eventually De Falco demands: "Go back onboard, dammit!" De Falco's Italian expletive is actually much harsher than "dammit" — but the line has become a national catchphrase and is Italy's top trending hashtag, or keyword on Twitter. Minutes after that audio was posted online, Italians had a new hero.

By: entropone

entropone — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:14:00 -0800

It's sort of interesting how "the captain goes down with the ship" is such a strong cultural norm. Like, the level of opprobrium this guy's been getting is almost like how people react to rapists and murderers. Well I'm not sure of all the ins and outs of Maritime Law, but I assume he's got a sort of responsibility to, uh, DO STUFF TO HELP after he gets drunk, deviates from course, and then runs a big-ass boat filled with like 4,000 people into some rocks. He is the Captain. He's got a responsibility that is absolute. I don't think he's got to sit there and die with the boat, but he's responsible for the people on it.

By: heyho

heyho — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:14:02 -0800

Capt. Gregorio De Falco will be played by Sir Ben in the film adaptation. That was intense.

By: katillathehun

katillathehun — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:14:30 -0800

It's sort of interesting how "the captain goes down with the ship" is such a strong cultural norm. Like, the level of opprobrium this guy's been getting is almost like how people react to rapists and murderers. I think it's more "the captain doesn't bail out like chicken shit and abandon his passengers." People were scared, some were even dying, and if he'd stayed behind to do his job, those people might've been found and moved out faster.

By: yellowbinder

yellowbinder — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:14:55 -0800

I empathize with his cowardice. That's why I'll never captain a cruise liner.

By: Blasdelb

Blasdelb — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:15:30 -0800

The transcript cannot possibly do the video justice. The video linked in the FPP is AMAZING. It really did make me want Schettino's balls on a platter and some small fraction of De Falco's balls someday when I might need them.

By: radiosilents

radiosilents — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:15:52 -0800

i will shamlessly steal this comment from another forum i frequent, because it is hilarious. in reference to the now-famous satellite photo of the shipwreck, it was said "It's quite an accomplishment to be able to look like a fucking asshole FROM SPACE."

By: Flunkie

Flunkie — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:15:58 -0800

It's sort of interesting how "the captain goes down with the ship" is such a strong cultural norm. Like, the level of opprobrium this guy's been getting is almost like how people react to rapists and murderers.

Well, I don't think that's really a literal phrase to most modern people; most people would interpret it to mean that he has a duty to stay and help others, not that he has a duty to stay permanently and drown.

By: NailsTheCat

NailsTheCat — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:16:18 -0800

I empathize with his cowardice. That's why I'll never captain a cruise liner. eponyister...

By: bearwife

bearwife — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:17:38 -0800

He caused the crash, ignored the peril, fled early from the ship and had to be shamed into returning, and has lied until caught about almost everything. God save us all from putting our lives and safety in the hands of a self indulgent, cowardly, untruthful jerk like this man. No sorrow if he goes to jail for this. But how did he ever succeed in getting or keeping this job?

By: KokuRyu

KokuRyu — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:19:35 -0800

Like, the level of opprobrium this guy's been getting is almost like how people react to rapists and murderers. The guy is, colloquially speaking, a murderer. It seems as though his criminal negligence caused the death of dozens of people.

By: NailsTheCat

NailsTheCat — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:21:42 -0800

Also... I find "Are we clear on this?" a poor translation for "Chiaro?" I think a more literal "Clear?" works far better.

By: ninjew

ninjew — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:23:42 -0800

he didn't have to be hero, but to compare him to an airplane pilot.. he flew into a giant thunderhead, let go of the controls, and then strapped on a chute and took a leap out the door while saying "see ya, suckers".

By: The Card Cheat

The Card Cheat — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:25:05 -0800

The dog ate his good excuse.

By: koeselitz

koeselitz — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:25:43 -0800

You Can't Tip a Buick: “It's sort of interesting how ‘the captain goes down with the ship’ is such a strong cultural norm. Like, the level of opprobrium this guy's been getting is almost like how people react to rapists and murderers.” I think this is emphatically not a cultural norm thing. At least eleven people are dead. He was in charge. And when it happened, he ran away. That's a pretty simple situation that cuts across cultural lines. All week, I've been reflecting, with extreme gratitude, on the fact that I've never found myself in a situation where I had to choose between my own safety and the potential death of others. I am not so certain I would have been able to do the right thing, so I feel some pity for this guy. At the same time – he did not do the right thing.

By: benito.strauss

benito.strauss — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:26:01 -0800

He caused the crash, ignored the peril, fled early from the ship and had to be shamed into returning, and has lied until caught about almost everything. Next stop, Goldman Sachs.

By: facetious

facetious — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:26:30 -0800

man i couldn't get out of the lifeboat if i was tripping either

By: Capt. Renault

Capt. Renault — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:27:33 -0800

"Hello, yes, this is Captain Schettino speaking. "Yes, yes, I am on board the ship. "Yes, I intend to go down with the ship, if that's what's needed. "Yes, I am looking after all the passengers. "Uh, let's see -- onetwothreefourfivesixseveneightnineteneleven -- there's eleven of us, not including me. "I'm sorry -- I don't understand. Leave this ship? "But I'm the Captain -- I can't leave the ship. I must go down with the ship. "Excuse me, what? "But we just got here! "Oh, you mean THAT ship. The big one! "Yes, I thought it was a little strange of you, calling a lifeboat a 'ship'. "Go back on that one? Don't you know it's sinking?" Apologies to Bob Newhart.

By: muddgirl

muddgirl — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:30:09 -0800

I have heard that, of the charges mentioned, abandoning ship is actually the most serious. I think this particular case brings the reasons why into sharp relief. There may end up "only" being a dozen casualties, but the situation described on board the ship was, in a word, disastrous. We are lucky that the death toll was not higher.

By: The Card Cheat

The Card Cheat — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:31:39 -0800

Chicken Of The Sea Say what you will about the New York Post, but sometimes they have a way with a headline...

By: Cool Papa Bell

Cool Papa Bell — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:33:22 -0800

What's the actual Italian phrase used for "Go back on lard, dammit!" And what's the real world and real translation of "dammit," as many news stories say is not actually what De Falco said? They say it's something harsher...

By: Cool Papa Bell

Cool Papa Bell — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:33:49 -0800

Land, not lard. Fuck you, iPad.

By: bleep

bleep — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:33:50 -0800

"Also... I find "Are we clear on this?" a poor translation for "Chiaro?" I think a more literal "Clear?" works far better" Or even just "CAPICE??" I would love to hear what he's really saying, curses and all. Anyone here speak Italian? I heard on NPR this morning that the situation over there is basically chaos and has been from the moment the emergency started, no one has any oversight or authority and no one knows anything.

By: Flashman

Flashman — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:34:11 -0800

By: PareidoliaticBoy

PareidoliaticBoy — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:36:53 -0800

It's sort of interesting how "the captain goes down with the ship" is such a strong cultural norm. That's how things work at sea. I'm a sailor. My word is law on any vessel skippered by me. When on-board, I require that you listen to me, and do as I say. This means that I am therefore responsible for the safety of anyone I take to sea. If something goes awry, I am duty-bound to look to the safety of passengers and crew, before any other consideration. No exceptions. This POS violated almost every single norm of prudent seamanship, from sailing close inshore with-out local knowledge, to failure to notify authorities and passengers in a timely manner. His reckless disregard for his passenger's safety and subsequent fleeing like rat from a sinking ship is one of the most cavalierly conscienceless displays of cowardice to make the news in a long time. Were I sitting in judgement on this case, I'd be giving him the maximum sentence for each life lost, consecutively.

By: bleep

bleep — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:37:08 -0800

I also feel bad for the guy. It seems like a straightforward case but I hesitate to judge when 8 billion tons of international judgement are bearing down on this poor guy. I mean wouldn't it really suck if he did fall into the lifeboat and wanted to get back to the ship but couldn't?

By: LeLiLo

LeLiLo — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:39:07 -0800

It's sort of interesting how "the captain goes down with the ship" is such a strong cultural norm... Well I'm not sure of all the ins and outs of Maritime Law.... I work in summer and fall on a tour boat in Maine, with five or six different captains... one of whom just emailed me this interesting piece in Slate about maritime law and captains, plus the etiquette of 'women and children first.'

By: kiltedtaco

kiltedtaco — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:40:45 -0800

This POS violated almost every single norm of prudent seamanship, I follow aviation accidents, not boating (sailing? Mediterranean cruising?) accidents. Is there a source for more technical details on this event, other than wading through a bunch of repetitive CNN reports.

By: CynicalKnight

CynicalKnight — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:40:45 -0800

He caused the crash, ignored the peril, fled early from the ship and had to be shamed into returning, and has lied until caught Not to mention a complete lack of oversight surrounding crew accident preparedness. See all the lifeboats still attached to the ship on the upturned side? The ones crew members stood by but refused to lower? They were waiting for instructions that never came, but with better and frequent training drills should have known to take matters into their owns hands and fill/lower those lifeboats before the list became so great they would just drag against the side. The crew was slack because their leader was slack, and they knew it. We are lucky that the death toll was not higher. This. It's the night vision footage of hundreds of people milling about on the side of the hull of a freshly beached wreck that drives me up the wall. How many of them were seniors who survived because of luck and assistance from the younger and more agile?

By: BlueHorse

BlueHorse — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:41:35 -0800

Somehow the expression "What a maroooon!" just seems to fit this guy.

By: charlie don't surf

charlie don't surf — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:41:44 -0800

I was mad about the captain's cowardice, but when I saw infrared video of THIS, I was enraged. That's the top side of the ship, where they didn't release the lifeboats in time so when the ship turned up, they were stuck high up in the air. Apparently that is the rope ladder, and people are climbing down it. In the brief few seconds of video I saw, it looked like everyone was sitting on the ladder, and passing people from hand to hand, helping them down the side of the ship while they used the ladder as a human chain. And then when they got to the end of the human chain, they had to climb down the final vertical section of the ladder and jump into the water, then swim to the rescue boat. This is just outrageous.

By: Eyebrows McGee

Eyebrows McGee — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:41:52 -0800

From the video, "dammit" was actually "Christo!" (Christ!) if I'm at the right point in the transcript/audio.

By: grumblebee

grumblebee — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:42:11 -0800

Eponysterical I know, but I can't help but feel kinda sorry for the guy. A lot of us are comically inept, dishonest, craven cowards, but somehow through the grace of god we don't (knock on wood) end up causing the deaths of dozens of people and having our pathetic weakness laid bare before the world. I have some sympathy, too, but he's got to be stupid (or in DEEP denial about his nature) in addition to being inept, dishonest and cowardly. Because if you're inept, dishonest and cowardly, who on Earth would you choose to work as a ship captain? I have my faults, but I'm much less inept, dishonest, and cowardly than he is. Still, I'm inept, dishonest and cowardly enough to be scared to drive a car. I KNOW I shouldn't be on the road. I also bought the toughest, most over-the-top case I could possibly find for my iPhone, because I KNOW I'm going to drop it at least once a day. He's like a born klutz who chooses to run with scissors. Or an accident-prone guy who climbs a rickety ladder while holding a Faberge egg and says, "What could possibly go wrong?"

By: His thoughts were red thoughts

His thoughts were red thoughts — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:43:48 -0800

He caused the crash... Can anyone elaborate on how he caused the crash? I can't find clear details in amongst the general rage and contempt. There's a mention upthread that he was drunk.

By: koeselitz

koeselitz — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:46:00 -0800

He was far too close to shore, I guess. He was just a few hundred yards from the beach. He claims now that he hit a reef that isn't on the charts, but he was really exceeding safety regulations. That is my own interpretation of the news stories. Also, there was talk of him doing this in order to impress the head waiter (?) whose hometown they were passing by.

By: KokuRyu

KokuRyu — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:46:16 -0800

By: mrzarquon

mrzarquon — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:46:58 -0800

> Can anyone elaborate on how he caused the crash? On Monday, the Costa Concordia's owners, Costa Cruises, said Capt Schettino hit the rocks because he deliberately steered the ship towards Giglio Island. The rest of the story is he was drunk and had a house on the island or something and wanted to show people it.

By: mullingitover

mullingitover — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:47:58 -0800

Was it really pure incompetence that led to the crash? I saw this article about the ship losing power, but it's not clear if that was a result of hitting the rocks or what led to it. The captain being at the bar isn't unusual, given that there's a staff of other officers all capable of navigating it.

By: m@f

m@f — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:48:15 -0800

This guy is a piece of work. The only way this gets worse is if he changes his story yet again and blames the Kilrathi.

By: Flunkie

Flunkie — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:48:36 -0800

He claims now that he hit a reef that isn't on the charts

Yes, he apparently claimed he hit an uncharted rock 300 meters offshore. Scuba divers, however, claim that he hit a charted rock 95 meters offshore.

By: mrzarquon

mrzarquon — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:48:37 -0800

Also on the same linked article, it shows that he had deviated five miles off their previous course through the region.

By: Cool Papa Bell

Cool Papa Bell — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:48:57 -0800

I think next, he blames Amanda Knox.

By: His thoughts were red thoughts

His thoughts were red thoughts — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:50:06 -0800

From mrzarquon's link: "On Monday, the Costa Concordia's owners, Costa Cruises, said Capt Schettino hit the rocks because he deliberately steered the ship towards Giglio Island. Prosecutors also claim that he was responsible for the disaster. They say the captain wanted to make a close pass of Giglio in order to "salute" a crew member's family who live there." What a contemptible tool.

By: edgeways

edgeways — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:50:06 -0800

I believe I read that cruise liners where suppose to remain.. a mile?... from shore. This struck rock much much closer than that ship was suppose to be. Frankly I don't have much sympathy for the fellow. I understand the scared part, but if your first inclination is to run in such a situation you are clearly not captain material. Last one alive off the ship. Heroes aren't people that do stupid things, but people who do what needs to be done when it needs to be done regardless of personal consequences.

By: Eyebrows McGee

Eyebrows McGee — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:50:10 -0800

Oh, I think the article is talking about "Vada a bordo, cazzo!" Cazzo is vulgar slang for penis, around the obscenity level of an f-bomb in English. ("Get back on board, you little shit!" might be close in essence.) They're translating all his "Christos" and his "cazzos" as "dammit" in a lot of the English transcripts, I'm not sure why.

By: Effigy2000

Effigy2000 — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:50:19 -0800

Cristo, che cosa un asshole.

By: dirigibleman

dirigibleman — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:50:50 -0800

I mean wouldn't it really suck if he did fall into the lifeboat and wanted to get back to the ship but couldn't? How'd his first mate end up in the lifeboat?

By: loquacious

loquacious — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:52:10 -0800

I mean wouldn't it really suck if he did fall into the lifeboat and wanted to get back to the ship but couldn't? Yeah, that's a nice "what if?" but why was he anywhere near the lifeboats? I don't know what they do on large passenger-rated ships in a crisis, but the captain probably should have been either on or near the bridge, radio room or at some other kind of command post helping organize and facilitate the evacuation and directing his staff as well as handling emergency communications to rescue teams. He's supposed to be the last person on board, not first one off. The whole point of a ship captain isn't so much navigation or piloting, but being the person who stays calm and in charge when/if things go, err, belly up. Yet another reason to never, ever go on one of those floating buffet death traps. Cruise ships are fucking ridiculous from concept to execution. "Hey, I have a great idea! Let's build an entire skyscraper 1,000 feet tall, but then we'll lay it down on it's side and float it on water, pack it full of land-dwelling tourists who don't know their ass from a stern into tiny rooms with a bare minimum of emergency training, staff it with undereducated defacto slave labor and then add a couple of mediocre buffets and then we'll motor into international waters with engines too small for our tonnage! What could possibly go wrong?"

By: Flunkie

Flunkie — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:53:02 -0800

I mean wouldn't it really suck if he did fall into the lifeboat and wanted to get back to the ship but couldn't?
How'd his first mate end up in the lifeboat?

It apparently wasn't just him and the first mate. In the second page of the transcript linked to in the post, he is quoted as saying "all the officers have gathered on the rescue boat with me".

By: Fizz

Fizz — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:53:14 -0800

♬♬♬ I'm on a boat. I'm on a boat. Everybody look at me. Cause I'm sailing on a boat. [ 10 minutes later ] I'm on a ~~boat.~~ I'm on a ~~boat.~~ Take a good hard look. At the motherfucking boat. ♬♬♬

By: Jimbob

Jimbob — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:53:19 -0800

Route of the ship, and the previous route it took.

By: PareidoliaticBoy

PareidoliaticBoy — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:53:39 -0800

A cardinal rule of coast-wise navigation is that one never takes a vessel into an area you don't know. He was FOUR MILES off course. He overrode the alarms on the bridge, and conned his ship away from the known channel onto the frikken rocks. There is a reason that the expression "uncharted waters" exists. I wouldn't have taken a dinghy where he did if I didn't know the area.

By: KokuRyu

KokuRyu — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:54:03 -0800

f your first inclination is to run in such a situation you are clearly not captain material. Last one alive off the ship. To put things in less heroic terms, the captain should have stayed on ship to coordinate rescue efforts.

By: jeffburdges

jeffburdges — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:54:54 -0800

Italy has spectacularly institutionalized nepotism and corruption, bearwife, almost surely this guy got his job through family connections, like everybody else working in Italy. Did you ever notice how many young Italians live abroad, especially technical people, academics, etc.? I'll promise you they didn't move abroad because they liked the food. Italy elected the kleptocrat Berlusconi for decades because the left wing parties couldn't form a coalition, mostly because the old morons running all the left wing parties hated one another enough they couldn't form a coalition.. And that occurred mostly because the old moron who runs an Italian party cannot be fired even when they lose their own elections. Americans lament how schmoozing baboons so frequently run our corporations, but well such hustlers aren't quite as incompetent as what you get if you hire completely based upon family.

By: edgeways

edgeways — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:57:16 -0800

incidentally he does remind me of Dr. Benway.. without the panache

By: mrzarquon

mrzarquon — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:00:10 -0800

> "all the officers have gathered on the rescue boat with me". Jesus Fucking Christ. It's an emergency. Quick, lets take all the people in authority and get them off the ship before they can have a chance to tell the rest of the crew what they should be doing. More importantly, give them guidance as things change. One of the reasons why Seniority Matters in sailing is because the older you are, the more experience you have, the better equipment you can be to lead others and help them in emergency situations. You don't have time to think or spitball ideas.

By: Daddy-O

Daddy-O — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:02:08 -0800

Captain Stubing would never have bailed on his passengers like that. Or ran the love boat onto the rocks in the first place for that matter. Schettino is the polar opposite of Sullenberger.

By: LobsterMitten

LobsterMitten — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:02:25 -0800

This BBC news article has a diagram and explanation of "how the crash happened" according to current understanding. It shows how far this island is off the prescribed route. another BBC article with diagram of route the ship took, similar to another "off route" pass it made close to the island in August - this article includes a diagram of how the ship is sitting in a precarious position from which it could slide into much deeper water.

By: Chuckles

Chuckles — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:03:27 -0800

Okay, so the captain was... But, does it make sense for the other guy, De Falco, to berate the captain for five minutes? I mean, when is it time to just give up on the guy and get on with the job?

By: philip-random

philip-random — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:03:45 -0800

He caused the crash, ignored the peril, fled early from the ship and had to be shamed into returning, and has lied until caught about almost everything. Sounds like he would've prospered in the Bush administration.

By: crunchland

crunchland — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:03:46 -0800

FRANCESCO SCHETTINO (voice is hoarse from screaming): I...was trying to lead the way. We needed a leader! Someone to lead the way to safety. ROBIN: But you yelled "get out of my way"! FRANCESCO SCHETTINO: Because! Because, as the leader...if I die...then all hope is lost! Who would lead? The clown? Instead of castigating me, you should all be thanking me. What kind of a topsy-turvy world do we live in, where-where heroes are cast as villains? Brave men as cowards? ROBIN: But I saw you push the women and children out of the way in a mad panic! I saw you knock them down! And when you ran out, you left everyone behind! FRANCESCO SCHETTINO: Seemingly. Seemingly, to the untrained eye, I can fully understand how you got that impression. What looked like pushing...what looked like knocking down...was a safety precaution! In a fire, you stay close to the ground, am I right? And when I ran out that door, I was not leaving anyone behind! Oh, quite the contrary! I risked my life making sure that exit was clear. Any other questions? COAST GUARD: How do you live with yourself? FRANCESCO SCHETTINO: It's not easy.

By: charlie don't surf

charlie don't surf — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:05:40 -0800

The rest of the story is he was drunk and had a house on the island or something and wanted to show people it. No, he was doing a "close pass." I saw a video report on the ABC Evening News (still available on iTunes podcasts if you want to see it) that has a video of the same ship doing the same close pass in the same spot, on a previous cruise. The close pass is a stunt they like to pull to impress the passengers and the islanders. They light up every light on the ship, and drive as close to the island as they can, as fast as they can. The lights are so bright they can see the island clearly from the ship. And you can see the ship from anywhere on the island. So the captain was pulling a stunt, to show off. And he got people killed. This is beyond negligence.

By: anothermug

anothermug — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:07:19 -0800

I like Letterman's line: "He said he tripped and fell into a dress and a wig also before he fell into the life raft. And his luggage also tripped and fell in right after him."

By: philip-random

philip-random — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:07:27 -0800

incidentally he does remind me of Dr. Benway.. without the panache Or the heroin

By: rtha

rtha — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:10:27 -0800

I'm trying to imagine if it's possible for there to be an uncharted...anything within a mile of the Italian coast, which has been sailed and explored and charted for several thousand years.

By: Cool Papa Bell

Cool Papa Bell — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:12:05 -0800

But, does it make sense for the other guy, De Falco, to berate the captain for five minutes? I mean, when is it time to just give up on the guy and get on with the job? In theory, the captain still knows more about the ship and its crew than anyone. If you can shake him out of his panic, he could be invaluable.

By: benito.strauss

benito.strauss — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:12:44 -0800

Language Log has an article on "Vada a bordo, cazzo!", for fans of Italian swearing.

By: furiousxgeorge

furiousxgeorge — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:13:58 -0800

Yeah, I was gonna say only Captain Larry David would trip and fall into a lifeboat causing this huge misunderstanding, but maybe Captain Costanza works better.

By: LobsterMitten

LobsterMitten — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:16:42 -0800

captain now says he was navigating by sight and ordered a turn too late, and that he had taken the ship close to the island "to salute a former captain who had a home" there. "I was navigating by sight because I knew the depths well and I had done this manoeuvre three or four times," he reportedly said. "But this time I ordered the turn too late and I ended up in water that was too shallow. I don't know why it happened."

By: dr_dank

dr_dank — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:21:06 -0800

Somewhere, Joseph Hazelwood sighs in relief as the new champion for Worst Captain Ever is crowned.

By: Navelgazer

Navelgazer — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:25:24 -0800

It's sort of interesting how "the captain goes down with the ship" is such a strong cultural norm. Like, the level of opprobrium this guy's been getting is almost like how people react to rapists and murderers. Not to make light of this, but he the situation was basically this. I can empathize with cowardice as much as the next guy, but he caused the wreck and tried to slink away and then lied about it while shirking his duties while people were dying. So yeah, the level of opprobrium is going to be about at that level.

By: vidur

vidur — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:25:26 -0800

I once hit a reef while captaining a ship (well, a kayak, but the underlying principle is the same) very close to the beach too. I can vouch for the fact that it is very hard to get back on board, especially if your wife or coast guard is yelling at you.

By: dr. boludo

dr. boludo — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:28:35 -0800

Get your "Vada a bordo, cazzo!" T-shirts here.

By: -harlequin-

-harlequin- — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:30:59 -0800

I was initially rooting for the captain - the rescue had barely begun before the cruise line revealed thei first priority was to rushed in to blame him, trying to dodge all liability and save their own hide at their captain's expense. It seems quite plausible that he was within rights to chart a course that maximised the view for the passengers and the islanders, and that the maritime maps failed him. But the more that comes out, the more it seems pretty clear that he did fail, and spectacularly. The guy is toast, there will be no escape for him. But that cruise line is also a nasty bit of work. I guess they probably all are, and Costa Cruises merely had the fate of having its true colors revealed.

By: cherrybounce

cherrybounce — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:32:39 -0800

He's definitely no Sully.

By: charlie don't surf

charlie don't surf — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:32:56 -0800

When That Great Ship Went Down - Pink Anderson When That Great Ship Went Down - Woodie Guthrie

By: HuronBob

HuronBob — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:34:44 -0800

By: unregistered_animagus

unregistered_animagus — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:36:43 -0800

Oh, the poltroonery!

By: helmutdog

helmutdog — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:46:39 -0800

This whole story got me thinking about the stewardesses and stewards who are trained to save lives and get passengers to safety when something happens on a plane. Those are everyday heroes (so think about that the next time you bark for an extra pillow). This Captain? I can't fathom (pun alert!) his actions.

By: winna

winna — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:59:15 -0800

That man sounds drunk. He responds with bizarre cordiality at the beginning of the call, as if it's a cocktail party, and his subsequent answers trail off in a weird way I associate with drunks. What kind of stupid organization is the cruise line that the first thing they did when that man got ashore was NOT to give him an immediate test for drugs and alcohol? I would assume that would be standard in such a situation, but in reading the news articles I could find apparently it's not. I am never going on a cruise.

By: Rumple

Rumple — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 22:05:03 -0800

There's something about over-confidence in one's abilities mixed with the gigantic rush it must be to have a huge ship at one's command. Does it encourage hubris? Something very similar to this Italian accident happened one time on the Washington State ferry system, luckily without loss of life or injury,: On Oct. 2, 1983, Captain Billy Fittro made an unauthorized swing into Grindstone Harbor to give an Orcas Island resident a waterside view of her home from the Elwha's wheelhouse. During the excursion, the Elwha hit a reef, ran aground and was damaged at a total of $250,000. Captain Fittro eventually resigned and his supervisor, Captain Nick Tracy, was fired for trying to cover up the incident. In 1989 the reef the vessel hit was officially named "Elwha Rock". Ref. What did I do without Wikipedia there for a while?

By: cortex

cortex — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 22:05:17 -0800

This Captain? I can't fathom (pun alert!) his actions. I guess you could say he was...out of his league.

By: Navelgazer

Navelgazer — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 22:07:10 -0800

YEEEEEEEEEEAAHHHHHHHH!!!!

By: cortex

cortex — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 22:10:21 -0800

Twenty years hence, the ellipses mark will be known primarily as "sunglasses".

By: Quinbus Flestrin

Quinbus Flestrin — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 22:15:26 -0800

The whole thing seems far more like Lord Jim than the Titanic (Captain Smith did go down with his ship), down to the ending up in the lifeboat by mistake.

By: Homeboy Trouble

Homeboy Trouble — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 22:19:21 -0800

This was a terrible event. There is much we don't know at this point. The public lynching of this guy in the media is premature. The time may come that there will be justification for his crucifixion, but I don't think we're at that point yet in terms of facts and information. Things we know: - He drove the ship off course, into rocks, sinking the ship. - 11 people died. - He didn't take actions that could have helped the situation, such as lowering the anchor to stabilize the ship, but lied and said that he did. - He left the ship, instead of staying to organize rescue efforts. Things that are unconfirmed, and we are waiting to find out before we can really pass judgment: - Was the ship damaged when it sailed through a flock of geese shortly after leaving port? Was this actually a heroic water landing of the vessel? - Did he order the Chinese theme night at the buffet to cook and serve giant pandas? - Was he, in fact, the author of several key provisions in SOPA/PIPA? - Was this merely an attempt to save money in barnacle-removal gone terribly awry? - Did he short sell the stock of the cruise line and crash the ship to make a profit? If he had failed in this, was his plan B to beat a suave British secret agent in a high-stakes poker game in Montenegro? - Were the secret, unreleased master tapes of the fourth seasons of Community and Arrested Development stored below deck and are now lost to the sea?

By: philip-random

philip-random — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 22:25:42 -0800

And then there's the 1991 tale of the Oceanos, complete with dramatic narration. Passengers aboard the cruise ship Oceanos begin to panic when the ship starts sinking. To make matters worse, the captain and most of the crew have already abandoned ship, leaving them to die.

By: phaedon

phaedon — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 22:27:09 -0800

I'm embarassed that his second in command was Greek.

By: Fnarf

Fnarf — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 22:29:32 -0800

These cruise ships are disasters waiting to happen. Not because of drunk captains, though that's certainly a factor, but because they are crewed almost exclusively by foreign nationals with no training at all besides pouring drinks and doing laundry. They're all Peruvians and Ecuadorians and the like, and they're held in near-slavery conditions, not permitted to go ashore at any of the ports for months or even years at a time, paid ridiculous wages, and always under conditions that are controlled not by the labor laws of the countries they operate in but by special rules for cruise ships in the dubious places they are registered, like Liberia. I can't imagine a worse way to see the beautiful Italian coast, anyways. Sure, you get lots of liquor, and nasty steam-table food served on fancy china, but the "luxury" is completely bogus and you learn nothing of the places you supposedly visit. I suppose if Hank Kingsley is the on-board entertainment, it's worth it....

By: Chocolate Pickle

Chocolate Pickle — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 22:34:46 -0800

In Italy they're selling T-shirts. By the way, he's been charged with manslaughter. I don't think they'll have too much difficulty getting a conviction.

By: vidur

vidur — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 22:39:16 -0800

By: KokuRyu

KokuRyu — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 22:45:33 -0800

I'm a foreign national myself.

By: OnTheLastCastle

OnTheLastCastle — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 22:49:03 -0800

It's sort of interesting how "the captain goes down with the ship" is such a strong cultural norm. Like, the level of opprobrium this guy's been getting is almost like how people react to rapists and murderers. You are in charge. You don't get to stop being in charge in an emergency. That's the exact moment you are required to be present. So, if his vacating his post caused more confusion and people died, he's liable for the deaths. But if you crash into the rock yourself through negligence, nothing will help you.

By: Kadin2048

Kadin2048 — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 22:53:57 -0800

I'm trying to imagine if it's possible for there to be an uncharted...anything within a mile of the Italian coast While I wouldn't expect a reef to move around much, shoals (up to and including large piles of rocks) can and do move around. So it's not implausible that a certain route might have been fine for the last six passes, but suddenly isn't, particularly if there was a storm or something in the interim that caused the sea floor to change. So an "uncharted" shoal or rock isn't necessarily something that managed to slip by generations of navigators, but just something that shifted since the last time the charts were updated. But this is all Sailing 101 — hell, it's like the first hour of the first class, the one before you get to go out in a dinghy — so I think that it's somewhat unlikely as the source of the error. What seems likely to me, just as the simplest explanation that fits the facts that have come out so far, is that the Captain took direct command of the vessel and was navigating based on previous experience, and screwed up. He wasn't where he thought he was, and just flat-out ran them onto the rocks. Obviously, that is bad. The sheer obviousness of it might explain (though certainly not excuse) his apparently panicky, chickenshit actions afterwards. What I'd be interested to know is who else was on the bridge at the time, and what kind of command climate prohibited one of the other officers — presuming that there was somebody watching the plotter — from speaking up and saying "uh, sir, you're about to put us on the goddamn rocks, are you sure that's a good idea." If there were others around in that position, it's yet another failure on the part of the Captain, and frankly I'd almost argue that it's the more serious one. Anyone can make a navigational error; where that becomes fatal is when it's compounded by an error in judgement (taking direct control in the first place, thus really raising the stakes) and in leadership (creating a climate where others weren't comfortable questioning what was going on, or where the people who could do that weren't around to do so).

By: evidenceofabsence

evidenceofabsence — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 22:55:48 -0800

Or that there is no safety training provided to the crew? From Tina Fey's Bossypants, which is clearly an authoritative source on maritime practices (she was once on a cruise ship when a fire broke out): "In the event of an emergency, it is the entertainers who are in charge of the lifeboats. Because the rest of the crew has actual nautical duties, the kids from Fiesta Caliente are trained to man the lifeboats. If you ever have to get on a lifeboat, the person in charge of your safety will likely be a nineteen-year-old dancer from Tampa who just had a fight with his boyfriend about the new Rihanna video."

By: Fnarf

Fnarf — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 22:57:10 -0800

Do you mean to say that the engineers running the ship are not actually engineers? Or that there is no safety training provided to the crew? The latter. Engineers? Sure. But 99% of the people running around the ship are not engineers or pilots; they're terrified semi-slaves who know from experience that if they say anything to anybody about anything they'll be fired immediately, and they have less idea what to do in an emergency than some of the passengers. "Foreign national" means simply that they're not citizens or even legal visitors of the country of registry or any of the countries the ship is visiting. They don't even have passports; those are probably locked in a safe somewhere. The cruise ship industry is completely, utterly dirty. The crews of the ships that call at Seattle, where I am from, can't come ashore and earn something like a dollar an hour. And they illegally dump waste all the time, because on the small chance they get caught the fine is a trivial amount, less than it costs to process waste legally.

By: biddeford

biddeford — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 22:57:34 -0800

According to this Daily Beast article, passengers were calling the mainland for help well before the boat capsized: Several passengers told The Daily Beast they felt a "shuffling sound" as the electricity went out. Some passengers even called the emergency services on the mainland. But Schettino seemed in denial. After calls by passengers, Giorgio De Falco who was heading up the emergency services of the Port Authority in Livorno, reached out to the Concordia. "Everything OK?" he asked. Schettino lied and said yes, that they'd had an electrical problem but that they had solved it. Had Schettino told the truth at that moment, when he surely knew the impact had done damage to the ship, an evacuation could have begun before the ship started listing, and all the passengers might have been saved.

By: Fnarf

Fnarf — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 22:59:01 -0800

"In the event of an emergency, it is the entertainers who are in charge of the lifeboats." We've heard from this recent disaster that even that joke is optimistic. Most of the lifeboats were not manned at all, and the passengers were left to themselves to figure out how to release them -- a task they were unable to figure out, unsurprisingly.

By: evidenceofabsence

evidenceofabsence — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 23:09:19 -0800

This Wired article about salvaging a container ship (prev iously) does an impressive job of conveying the sheer fucking horror that comes with moving around a gigantic, capsizing vessel. It's a wonder that the passengers assembled and organized as well as they did, and that so many lives were saved—no thanks to Schettino.

By: Skeptic

Skeptic — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 23:14:18 -0800

I frankly don't think he was necessarily drunk. Nor do I believe he fled in fear of his life. What he fled was his responsability: The trouble wasn't so much his lack of physical courage, but rather his lack of moral courage. According to the investigation so far, he spent the crucial first hour after the accident on the phone with the cruise line's marine operations director. You can bet that he already got an earful during that call. Consider his situation: because of sheer braggadocio, he had just made a career-ending mistake. Not just any small mistake: a €450 million mistake. The sort of mistake that ensures that he wouldn't be let anywhere near not just a cruise liner, but even a small boat. Under this conditions, he had then to organize the orderly evacuation of 4000 people from a sinking ship. No wonder he went first in denial, then into shock. I believe, however, that there aren't that many people who would have the moral fibre to respond adequately.

By: obiwanwasabi

obiwanwasabi — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 00:20:27 -0800

"I tripped and fell": it's not just for things stuck in your ass!

By: L.P. Hatecraft

L.P. Hatecraft — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 00:20:39 -0800

I guess you could say he was...out of his league. Really plumbing the depths of bad puns here.

By: -harlequin-

-harlequin- — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 00:22:00 -0800

"Foreign national" means simply that they're not citizens or even legal visitors of the country of registry or any of the countries the ship is visiting. That's everyone. The ships are registered in tiny-ass countries without the people to fill them even if they wanted to, and the only reason any of the passengers manage to be from a country the ship is visiting is because they had to physically board the thing at some point. I get that you're saying the industry is dirty, but putting foreign nationals in that context comes across as offensive.

By: ninjew

ninjew — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 00:22:27 -0800

you know it's a good thread when someone is able to use the word 'poltroon', in context. here is a truly astonishing set of photos, from msnbc. the slideshow.. the scale of this is just incredible. the hull is just.. shredded.

By: mreleganza

mreleganza — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 00:24:19 -0800

But, does it make sense for the other guy, De Falco, to berate the captain for five minutes? I mean, when is it time to just give up on the guy and get on with the job? Yeah, I'm not really seeing De Falco as a hero. He's more of a human catharsis. Taking a devil's advocate view, what if somehow the Captian did have an explainable reason for being in the lifeboat? You wouldn't know, because De Falco interrupted him constantly. He asked him tons of questions and didn't let him finish the answer to one. Yes, the Captain was sputtering and not sounding very leaderly, but who wouldn't be shaken up and decidedly not eloquent in such an event? My point is, (Devil's Advocate mode off) I don't think De Falco handled this very impressively. The Captain was trying to explain that he was going to have trouble reboarding and De Falco insulted him with meaningless showmanship. But of course that's all a very minor issue compared to the mind-boggling actions of the captain.

By: -harlequin-

-harlequin- — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 00:29:09 -0800

You wouldn't know, because De Falco interrupted him constantly. I kept waiting for the bit where Schettino explains his situation or incriminates himself, but it never really came because De Falco wouldn't let him get more than two words in edgewise. I assumed De Falco had prior knowledge not available to us, but maybe he just wasn't handling things optimally either.

By: maxwelton

maxwelton — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 00:30:11 -0800

As I get older, it becomes clear that almost everyone in a position of authority is, odds on, an incompetent asshole.

By: -harlequin-

-harlequin- — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 00:38:48 -0800

the slideshow.. If someone wants a lot of hits on their blog, copy some of these photos, rotate them so the ship is level and normal and it's the sea that has gone crazy, crop to match, repost as as a set.

By: aqsakal

aqsakal — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 00:44:39 -0800

What I'd be interested to know is who else was on the bridge at the time According to this morning's Corriere della Sera, there was a 25-year-old Moldvian girl called Domnika who doesn't appear on any crew or passenger lists

By: eye of newt

eye of newt — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 00:51:16 -0800

He asked him tons of questions and didn't let him finish the answer to one. I thought De Falco handled it well. He was furious at the Captain and was trying to shame him into doing his job. He was asking him how many people on board, how many deaths. Schettino mumbled something about having heard about one or two deaths. He knew the Captain didn't have the answers. That was his point. He told him to get back on board and get the answers to those questions. When the Captain said it was dark, he shamed him again. "It's dark and you want to go back home? Get back on that ship and tell me how many people there are and what they need. Now!"

By: Dr Dracator

Dr Dracator — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 01:28:11 -0800

I assumed De Falco had prior knowledge not available to us, but maybe he just wasn't handling things optimally either. Accidents like this do not happen in a couple of minutes. My guess is that by the time of the conversation in question the two men have already communicated several times - the point is not to find out what is actually happening, but to shock the captain into action.

By: tracicle

tracicle — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 01:28:38 -0800

I may have misread but was it De Falco who had earlier contacted the ship and been told by Schettino that everything was fine, just an electrical fault? I might be a tad miffed to then learn that a) the electrical fault was a SINKING SHIP and b) the captain had left 4,000 people onboard to their fate. (I'm not defending his hero status; I don't have a horse in this race. I can see where his end of the conversation comes from.)

By: nickyskye

nickyskye — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 01:30:01 -0800

Seconding that this tragedy reminds me a lot of Lord Jim, the captain's abandonment of the Patna. Apparently, the Costa Concordia sailed even closer to Giglio last August, than it did when it sank. Diagrams of how the disaster unfolded. The 6th image is interesting, about the possibility of fuel leaking into the "cleanest and most transparent sea in Italy". I wonder how the hell they will get the ship out of there?

By: Decani

Decani — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 01:31:59 -0800

He tripped and fell into a lifeboat? And he has no idea how that sounds? Man, that's some deep denial.

By: Forktine

Forktine — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 01:39:59 -0800

Tripping and falling into the lifeboat reminds me of those stories from the ER where people come in with strange objects lodged in their rectums and claim they fell in the shower. What a colossal fuckup.

By: Mister Bijou

Mister Bijou — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 01:46:11 -0800

nickyskye's interactive graphic is splendid. Thanks! And thanks also to benito.strauss's link for the short explanation on the formal / informal "you" as well as swearing in Italian.

By: PareidoliaticBoy

PareidoliaticBoy — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 01:57:18 -0800

Apparently, the Costa Concordia sailed even closer to Giglio last August, than it did when it sank. Hah,Nicky! I saw that earlier, and then thought about where this dipstick beached his boat. It's really hard to see how any previous mis-adventures not resulting in actual shipwreck could have been any closer. Seconding the thanks for fabulously informing graphic.

By: the cydonian

the cydonian — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 02:06:11 -0800

Taking a devil's advocate view, what if somehow the Captian did have an explainable reason for being in the lifeboat? You wouldn't know, because De Falco interrupted him constantly. He asked him tons of questions and didn't let him finish the answer to one. Yes, the Captain was sputtering and not sounding very leaderly, but who wouldn't be shaken up and decidedly not eloquent in such an event? Yes, Falco was clearly showboating (oh the puns) here, but it's also clear to me that they've been speaking to each other for an hour before that, and that the entire recording was to get the guy to coordinate stuff from the deck. I mean, you have a situation where the Coast Guard has already landed on the ship and apparently no one was in charge. Malice (ie this guy apparently trying to escape, which, as I see it, wasnt immediately evident from the recording) aside, the situation here is that the first and second in command's are apparently trying to get one lifeboat away while not directing rescue efforts. I'm no sailor, but from what little I know about project management, that's a massive leadership vacuum; that the captain's training didn't start kicking in is a sign of not just personal incompetence, but organizational incompetence.

By: EndsOfInvention

EndsOfInvention — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 02:06:51 -0800

It's really hard to see how any previous mis-adventures not resulting in actual shipwreck could have been any closer. Apparently (and if you look at the map showing the ship's course that is linked above), he was sailing close to the island, but when the boat hit the reef, then the captain turned to get as close as possible to make the evacuation/rescue easier. So the picture of the ship so close to the shore is only as a result of the post-crash emergency maneouver - that's not how close he was when he hit the rock.

By: ShutterBun

ShutterBun — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 02:13:04 -0800

Capt. Gregorio De Falco will be played by Sir Ben in the film adaptation. It's been a while since I've seen "Sexy Beast" or any of his more badass roles, but I'm not sure Kingsley has it in him (despite his spot-on resemblance) to be this much of a stern (ahem) taskmaster. The guy on the recording was AWESOME. We need a Gene Hackman level badass here, I think.

By: dhartung

dhartung — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 02:19:59 -0800

Apparently, the Costa Concordia sailed even closer to Giglio last August, than it did when it sank. Although crucially, this time he was much closer to the nasty jagged tooth of an outcropping known as Isola le Scole. Islands aren't uniform things all the way around. My guess is that by the time of the conversation in question the two men have already communicated several times Viz. "You've been telling me that for an hour!" that the captain's training didn't start kicking in is a sign of not just personal incompetence, but organizational incompetence. Indeed. Very ominous. Airline pilots, when things aren't going well, start looking again at their checklists and going over switch settings. What I'd be interested to know is who else was on the bridge at the time, and what kind of command climate prohibited one of the other officers — presuming that there was somebody watching the plotter — from speaking up and saying "uh, sir, you're about to put us on the goddamn rocks, are you sure that's a good idea." Yeah, failure of crew resource management here. All of these individuals are going to be interviewed and deposed. It has been reported that the headwaiter who was the object of the "favor" of a close pass, due to having relatives on Giglio, had said something about being so close. Falco was clearly showboating I don't agree. De Falco is in Livorno, on the mainland, something like 100 miles away. What he should be able to do is get timely, accurate updates on the sitch from the guy on site, and he ain't gettin' it. Imagine if in Apollo 13 Bill Paxton were not Fred Haise, but Private Hudson. "That's it man, game over man, game over! What the fuck are we gonna do now? What are we gonna do?"

By: Skeptic

Skeptic — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 02:22:52 -0800

According to this morning's Corriere della Sera, there was a 25-year-old Moldvian girl called Domnika who doesn't appear on any crew or passenger lists Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy, just when one thought Schettino's reputation couldn't sink any deeper...

By: marcdalessio

marcdalessio — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 02:24:03 -0800

"Vada a bordo, cazzo!" means 'Get back on board, dammit' (or 'Get back on board, for fuck's sake'). He wasn't calling the captain a 'dickhead' as others have said. I lived in Italy for 20 years.

By: Busy Old Fool

Busy Old Fool — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 02:24:52 -0800

I'm embarassed that his second in command was Greek. In which case you really don't want to follow philip-random's link to the story of the Oceanos. After an explosion below deck started to cause flooding, the Captain, Yiannis Avranas, failed to order the closing of the lower deck portholes or even raise an alarm, but instead went with colleagues to pack their bags, leaving the entertainers (who were actually last off the ship) to help the passengers. Avranas was reported by the helicopter crew to have elbowed elderly passengers aside to be first off the ship. He later said "When I give the order abandon ship, it doesn't matter what time I leave. Abandon is for everybody. If some people want to stay, they can stay." At least Schettino had the decency to sound sheepish when he was confronted. (that could have been an FPP!)

By: the cydonian

the cydonian — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 02:27:01 -0800

Ah, the Language Log was fascinating as always. One of the comments there, from an Italian himself, asserts that Fablo announcing that the call was being recorded, "was interpreted [in Italy] as an act of politeness, to prevent the distressed Schettino from saying things he might regret even more". If I was in Schettino's position, with me with my Indian/ Singaporean/ International brain, I'd have taken that as a hint to briefly, but succinctly, summarize the problem and detail the actions I'm taking. Not saying one is better than other, I'm not in the shipping business so I don't know things should be done, merely how I'd have done within the context of a recorded conversation. That and the insight that "the fuck" in "what the fuck is that?" is a pseudo-object... Brilliant stuff. Never really thought about sentence constructions with cuss words, I guess.

By: the cydonian

the cydonian — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 02:36:12 -0800

Falco was clearly showboating I don't agree. De Falco is in Livorno, on the mainland, something like 100 miles away. It's details such as that add context and change everything. :) Even without that though, I was indeed a bit harsh in saying that; kinda regretted it immediately after hitting post. What I meant to say then was, it was apparent Fablo was trying to follow the book and was hinting to Schettino that he ought to be visibly doing so too. Imagine if in Apollo 13 Bill Paxton were not Fred Haise, but Private Hudson. "That's it man, game over man, game over! What the fuck are we gonna do now? What are we gonna do?" Seen the movie, but that just flew over my head. :)

By: phaedon

phaedon — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 03:00:49 -0800

Viz. "You've been telling me that for an hour!" Um, that to me sounds like an exaggeration on De Falco's end. Actually, from the looks of it, this was a pretty quick conversation, unless there was editing going on in the FPP's clip. At the 0:41 mark De Falco and Schettino are exchanging introductions and two minutes later, De Falco is using the phrase "You've been telling me that for an hour!" I recognize this as a Mediterranean form of exaggeration. But before the conversation even takes places, it seems De Falco is fully aware of how fucked up the situation is. What does he mean, by "I was supposed to call the prosecutor, fuck!" And it follows, I think, that the question I think some people are raising here is, if this is their first conversation, why is it that De Falco is flying off the handle from the get-go. How did he peg Schettino so quickly?

By: furiousxgeorge

furiousxgeorge — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 03:08:18 -0800

VALENTINA Capuano could not believe it when the luxury cruise ship she was on began to sink - she only hoped that she would be saved like her grandmother, who survived the Titanic disaster, 100 years ago.

By: mreleganza

mreleganza — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 03:09:49 -0800

My thoughts too, phaedon. People have been responding to my earlier questioning of how De Falco handled this by pointing out that they had already been in communication, but if so, it seems kind of - I don't know, weird - that there was that whole bit in the beginning with, "Is this the Captain? What's your name? Schettino? Okay. Listen, Schettino..."

By: phaedon

phaedon — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 03:17:25 -0800

Seen the movie, but that just flew over my head. :) That's because Bill Paxton says "Game over man!" in Aliens, not Apollo 13. /facepalm

By: furiousxgeorge

furiousxgeorge — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 03:35:41 -0800

CNN: When I first heard about the Costa Concordia, I thought back to the guidance that Alexander Hamilton provided in 1790 to the captains of the first 10 cutters of the U.S. Revenue Marine -- the precursor to the Coast Guard. Hamilton advised that they had been "selected with careful attention to character" and told them to "Refrain from haughtiness, rudeness, or insult" and to "Endeavor to overcome difficulties by a cool and temperate perseverance in your duty." He declared that a captain's demeanor and behavior must "be marked with prudence, moderation, and good temper. Upon these qualities must depend the success, usefulness and ... continuance of the establishment in which they are included." An off duty captain, Roberto Bosio, happened to be on board the Costa Concordia when it ran aground and swung into action, helping dozens of women and children into lifeboats. He has been called a hero in the Italian press, but rejects the moniker. "Don't call me a hero. I just did my duty, the duty of a sea captain," he said. Captain Bosio met Alexander Hamilton's charge. Captain Schettino failed to do so in every imaginable way.

By: spitbull

spitbull — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 03:56:02 -0800

Holy shades of Exxon Valdez, man. Now watch as that ship's fuel and bilge tanks ruin that piece of coastline, to add to the toll. But I hold Carnival Cruise Lines ultimately responsible, although as far as I am concerned Schettino can rot in jail too. The Captain was a cowardly, incompetent fool, very obviously. But you don't apply for the job of "captain of a huge ship full of people" fresh out of college and hope for on the job training. You don't go from captaining a sailboat to captaining a city on water. There are steps and stages along the way. Your competence, sobriety, and courage are supposed to be tested along the way. How did this yellow bellied douchebag wind up in charge of his own dinner selections, let alone a ship full of people? Not everyone is Sully Sullenberger, heroically walking the aisles of our miraculously landed and now sinking airplane one last time, looking for any stragglers as water pours in from the hatches. Most of us aren't that, although most of us would at least do our duty to the best of our ability, I think, even in a crisis. But the people flying commercial passenger airplanes and captaining commercial passenger ships generally must meet pretty high standards of prior experience, conduct, and character. We expect that as paying passengers. We assume it. Carnival should face serious criminal sanctions and major lawsuits if there is any prior evidence of incompetence or cowardice in this asshole's dossier.

By: adamt

adamt — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 03:58:32 -0800

I don't know, weird - that there was that whole bit in the beginning with, "Is this the Captain? What's your name? Schettino? Okay. Listen, Schettino..." I took that to be for the benefit of the recording. The subtext of whole start of the conversation seems to me to be De Falco has been frustrated with his dealings with Schettino so far, and is now coming for another run at it. The recording itself seems to me to be a lever; a "look, it's not just me you're talking to now, everyone will here what your saying" thing with perhaps tones of "come on man, get it together, this is the real deal now".

By: charlie don't surf

charlie don't surf — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 03:59:54 -0800

As I get older, it becomes clear that almost everyone in a position of authority is, odds on, an incompetent asshole. Apparently, The Peter Principle has passed from modern consciousness.

By: spitbull

spitbull — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 04:05:04 -0800

Ha ha, you can already get t-shirts with "Vada a Borda, CAZZO!" on them. We have a new meme.

By: spitbull

spitbull — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 04:11:24 -0800

More sad stories emerge, including that of the Hungarian violinist (an entertainer on the ship) who died going back for his violin, and the sad tale of a missing 5 year old girl, buried in this lurid story about the mysterious Dominica Cemortan, the "young Moldovan woman" who "worked" for the cruise line and may have been on the bridge during the accident as a guest of an officer, possibly Schettino. She was either a "passenger relations specialist" or a "dancer," according to various reports. Yeah, right. Shades of Silvio Berlusconi. I'll be surprised if the Italian press doesn't run with the metaphor.

By: spitbull

spitbull — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 04:14:18 -0800

Oh, that last link includes this gem: Mario Palombo, a former Costa commander and colleague of the captain, said: "I've always had my reservations about Schettino. It's true, he was my second in command, but he was too exuberant; a daredevil. More than once I had to put him in his place." This cruise line needs to be out of business.

By: rare_g

rare_g — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 04:25:24 -0800

Seems we have found the word that is opposite of SULLY. SCHETTINO. Are you more sully? Or are you schettino?

By: charlie don't surf

charlie don't surf — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 04:37:26 -0800

..buried in this lurid story about the mysterious Dominica Cemortan, the "young Moldovan woman" who "worked" for the cruise line and may have been on the bridge during the accident as a guest of an officer, possibly Schettino. She was either a "passenger relations specialist" or a "dancer," according to various reports. Yeah, right. You gotta love her quote, "He is very skilful and experienced when it comes to manoeuvring the ship in enclosed spaces, like harbours." I hesitate to call that by the common journalistic term, "nut graf." But that excuse will go down in legend, "I was trying to get people to get into the boats in an orderly fashion. Suddenly, since the ship was at a 60 to 70 degree angle, I tripped and I ended up in one of the boats. That's how I found myself there." It reminds me of an old story about the legendarily absent-minded mathematics professor Norbert Weiner. He was driving along a country road and apparently while lost in thought, drove off the road straight into a telephone pole. When the Highway Patrolman asked him what happened, he said, "The telephone poles were passing my car in an orderly fashion, when suddenly, they swerved!"

By: jeather

jeather — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 04:49:47 -0800

He caused the crash, ignored the peril, fled early from the ship and had to be shamed into returning, Which, as far as I understand, didn't succeed, and he did not return to the boat.

By: Praxis

Praxis — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 05:14:46 -0800

If I was a passenger I really don't think I'd mind that the drunk, incompetent captain who crashed the ship didn't stay behind to help coordinate the evacuation...

By: mikelieman

mikelieman — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 05:15:16 -0800

Is craven coward a redundancy?

By: Quantum's Deadly Fist

Quantum's Deadly Fist — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 05:17:50 -0800

I always wondered what happened to Inspector Clouseau's Italian son after that dreadful film.

By: tommasz

tommasz — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 05:22:58 -0800

Wait, don't tell me. His wife is Morgan Fairchild, who he's seen naked.

By: indubitable

indubitable — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 05:36:57 -0800

Almost makes you wish that keelhauling was still a thing.

By: entropone

entropone — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 05:48:35 -0800

By: Fizz

Fizz — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 05:55:24 -0800

It's all a matter of the kinds of responsibility you accept. The amount of responsibility I'm willing to accept is very low. My friend: I'm going to go to the bathroom before the movie starts, will you watch my popcorn and this bag of M&Ms? Me: FUCK NO!!! WHAT IF THERE'S A FIRE OR A BUNCH OF TEENAGERS START TO HARASS ME BECAUSE YOU'RE GONE. YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN!

By: lyra4

lyra4 — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 06:48:19 -0800

The comments about the captain having a responsibility to stay and direct an evacuation are right on. A captain does not go down with the ship but he (or she) is the last off. In US law a captain is legally responsible tor the ship and everything that happens. Even if Tyre captain is asleep in his rack and another sailor is st the helm and runs aground, it is ultimately the captain' responsibility. He is the one who qualified the person at the helm, the one who made the call that they could drive.

By: the man of twists and turns

the man of twists and turns — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 06:48:57 -0800

phaedon: That's because Bill Paxton says "Game over man!" in Aliens, not Apollo 13. /facepalm dhartung is comparing the actions of the incompotent Captain to the panicky Private Hudson (in Aliens, played by Bill Paxton) to the cool and collected astronaut Fred Haise (in Apollo 13, as played by Bill Paxton). It was obvious to me.

By: gjc

gjc — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 06:50:59 -0800

I think that's the thing: being in the chain of command of a ship means, whether legally or morally, that you have accepted the responsibility for the lives of the passengers and crew. And it isn't [shouldn't be?] just handing a guy a new hat and the good clipboard. I don't expect a captain to necessarily go down with the ship while standing at attention and saluting the Queen, but I do expect him or her to be the LAST one to jump off. On the other hand, if the ship was listing like that at the time, it seems possible that there was no other choice but to fall off. On the other, other hand, it sounds like not wanting to get back on the ship is the least of his failed duties. It's not like something that big just tips over. It takes time, that probably could have been used better coordinating the evacuation. Coming back around again, the fact that so few people died might be a sign that some things did go right. (also, as to the foreign national thing, the point I heard is that the language barrier is the problem. From giving orders to move this direction to another, or the people in the bowels of the ship calling up to say "there is a big hole", not being able to understand each other is going to mean added danger.)

By: crunchland

crunchland — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 06:54:35 -0800

"In fact, nowhere in maritime law does it state that a captain must die with his ship, merely to remain until all souls have been accounted for, but the myth persists..."

By: tommasz

tommasz — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 07:14:16 -0800

By that definition, crunchland, he should still be on the ship.

By: francesca too

francesca too — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 07:23:19 -0800

Cool Papa Bell, what De Falco says at that point is "Ritorni a bordo, cazzo". Cazzo means penis, in a very pejorative way. You can call somebody a cazzo, as in "Questo e' un cazzo" translated as "This person is a fuckwad". Or you could use it, as I think it is used by De Falco as "Get back on board, damnit" but of course it is a lot stronger than damnit, and I cannot think of a equivalent word in American. Anyway, the coast guard spokeperson says cazzo a lot of times.

By: zeoslap

zeoslap — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 07:26:37 -0800

How about 'Get back on board you prick' for a translation?

By: bukvich

bukvich — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 07:32:01 -0800

I personally know one person who was rescued at sea. She was nine years old. It was a barely (and then not) seaworthy boat sailing from Saigon to Australia. The engine broke and they radio'd out an S.O.S. Another (civilian) boat came by. The engineers from the second boat worked on the vessel in distress for a couple of hours, but it was ultimately no use. They then evacuated the packed distressed boat's passengers onto the first boat. When they began it was unclear if there was going to be room on the functioning boat for all of the people. They put all the children on the second boat. Then the women. Then the men. Last the captain. The way my friend told this story (she may have exaggerated a little--she was nine when it happened and twenty-five when she told me this story) about a minute after the captain got the last two square feet of space on the deck of the rescue boat, the first boat sunk. Then she spent two years in a refugee camp on Mindanao.

By: notsnot

notsnot — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 07:39:34 -0800

Regarding "cazzo" and translations of it, this is a post I made last year which examines the difficulty in grammatical categorization when it comes to cursing. It's probably even more difficult to *translate* cursing; especially when used as an intensifier. I mean, what exact purpose does "the fuck" serve in the alternate translation I've read, "Get the fuck back on board"?

By: the painkiller

the painkiller — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 07:49:14 -0800

"Well, there's your problem..."

By: Skeptic

Skeptic — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 07:51:18 -0800

How about 'Get back on board you prick' for a translation? No, he wasn't specifically calling Schettino a prick (although he sure was thinking it), just as you shouldn't understand "fuck!" as an order...

By: aught

aught — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 08:34:34 -0800

As I get older, it becomes clear that almost everyone in a position of authority is, odds on, an incompetent asshole. Or that, when terrifying and stressful emergencies occur, those nominally in charge are rarely the calm confident supermen that we would like to pretend they are when we blindly put our faith in them.

By: BitterOldPunk

BitterOldPunk — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 08:58:07 -0800

when terrifying and stressful emergencies occur, those nominally in charge are rarely the calm confident supermen that we would like to pretend they are But this situation didn't call for a calm and confident superman. All it required was a minimally competent leader capable of prioritizing. The problem wasn't that Schettino failed to meet our lofty and unrealistic expectations, it was that he managed to limbo under a bar set so low. This wasn't the Titanic hitting an iceberg in the fog. This was a fully equipped vessel running aground in shallow water. There's absolutely no reason anyone should have died. Their deaths are due to the shocking incompetence and cravenness of Schettino, who abdicated the fundamental responsibility of a ship captain. He wasn't asked to be a superhero. He was expected to demonstrate minimal competence. He failed, and he got people killed.

By: justsomebodythatyouusedtoknow

justsomebodythatyouusedtoknow — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 09:02:27 -0800

Almost makes you wish that keelhauling was still a thing. With the ship sitting on bottom they'd never get him more than halfway round. Still, it's worth a try.

By: evidenceofabsence

evidenceofabsence — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 09:07:32 -0800

lurid story about the mysterious Dominica Cemortan, the "young Moldovan woman" who "worked" for the cruise line and may have been on the bridge during the accident as a guest of an officer, possibly Schettino Finally, a foreign woman to blame things on! Who is at once cast as a slut, but referred to not as a woman, but a girl! Let's make wild speculations about her while running pictures of her pretty face, to get attention! Thanks, Italian press. Ugh. Regarding De Falco's berating of Schettino: My impression was that the yelling was not done out of anger, so much as in an attempt to force Schettino to get on board. In Italy, the coast guard is part of the navy. I imagine that, like many military institutions, they tend to use screaming and the repetition of a simple directive as a way of overriding people's will, and initiating the desired action. And as goes the employment of "foreign nationals" on the boat: I can see how, as someone who is not a navigator or engineer, and who is working with an Italian captain off the Italian coast, individual crew members might feel disempowered, or second-guess their impulses, especially in a time of emergency. The crew of the Costa Concordia was largely Philippine; while Schettino was sitting comfortably in his house, they were stuck sorting out travel and paperwork so they could get home.

By: East Manitoba Regional Junior Kabaddi Champion '94

East Manitoba Regional Junior Kabaddi Champion '94 — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 09:09:51 -0800

I didn't realize the route was so crazy. This is like a Greyhound driver taking a detour onto the Indy 500

By: spitbull

spitbull — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 09:59:32 -0800

The way I see it, if Ms. Cemortan is in any way involved in Schettino's errors (whether as a distraction or otherwise), the blame is entirely on him, not her. But yeah, the Italian Press.

By: TheWhiteSkull

TheWhiteSkull — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 10:05:44 -0800

I think we're all forgetting who the real villain is here: the SS Californian.

By: KokuRyu

KokuRyu — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 10:30:52 -0800

Or that, when terrifying and stressful emergencies occur, those nominally in charge are rarely the calm confident supermen that we would like to pretend they are when we blindly put our faith in them. Tell that to your doctor when something goes wrong during surgery. Or the pilot who landed the plane on the Hudson.

By: KokuRyu

KokuRyu — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 10:53:04 -0800

What I mean to say is that reacting calmly under pressure is in the job description. It might seem difficult to imagine if you are not a cruise ship captain, which is why not all of us are cruise ship captains.

By: yoyo_nyc

yoyo_nyc — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 11:07:07 -0800

There is a German saying/joke: "What is the thinnest book in the world? - Italian heroes"

By: TheWhiteSkull

TheWhiteSkull — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 11:21:37 -0800

Really? I thought it was Famous German Lovers.

By: Navelgazer

Navelgazer — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 11:22:23 -0800

That's funny. Because the way I've heard that joke here is "German Humor"

By: crunchland

crunchland — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 11:26:15 -0800

"Collected Wisdom of the Republican Party."

By: yoyo_nyc

yoyo_nyc — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 11:27:45 -0800

Well, it might be "German lovers", but not "German humor". That would be "Swiss humor" instead. Seriously.

By: Gelatin

Gelatin — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 11:40:44 -0800

he didn't have to be hero, but to compare him to an airplane pilot Okay. Okay, again.

By: not_that_epiphanius

not_that_epiphanius — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 12:03:24 -0800

According the call itself, and my limited understanding of maritime law, De Falco is in fact the Captain of the Costa Concordia at the time of the call, since Schettino has abrogated this responsibility. De Falco starts by giving his subordinate an order, which is not followed. The rest of the conversation is an attempt by De Falco to get this order followed, so that he can back to the job of minimizing the loss of life. I think he did a very good job in an unbelievably stressful situation.

By: KokuRyu

KokuRyu — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 12:30:47 -0800

Not everyone is Sully Sullenberger, heroically walking the aisles of our miraculously landed and now sinking airplane Not everyone captains a $450 million floating skyscraper with 3000 passengers and crew. It's an awesome responsibility, and to say, "Oh, we all crack under pressure" is just delusional.

By: LobsterMitten

LobsterMitten — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 12:38:22 -0800

I think we have to assume by the time of the recorded call, either a.) De Falco has been on the line with Schettino for some time, possibly on-and-off, and is getting Schettino to repeat who he is just for the sake of the recording, or b.) De Falco's subordinates or the local rescue team have been on the line with Schettino for some time, and the rescuers have been getting the runaround from him (possibly because he's drunk or in shock) and eventually passing him up the chain of command. Or both.

By: lupus_yonderboy

lupus_yonderboy — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 12:43:21 -0800

I want to add one more thing here, and that's what I've read about studies of disasters have showed that nearly all the civilians involved manage to make good decisions and exhibit calmness under fire, even in apparent mass panics like crowd stampedes. I've been in a disaster (I'm the one interviewed who's wearing a red tie), I've seen other people deal with dramatic emergencies, and people really get pretty businesslike and only freak out after it's all over. If there's one thing that has been selected for in our evolutionary pasts, it's been fast and correct response to life-threatening emergencies. Surprisingly few people crack under instant pressure, and the ones who do are usually kept in line by everyone else.

By: charlie don't surf

charlie don't surf — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 13:09:49 -0800

Not everyone captains a $450 million floating skyscraper with 3000 passengers and crew. It's an awesome responsibility, and to say, "Oh, we all crack under pressure" is just delusional. Well, not ALL will crack under pressure. But the assumption that some will crack is actually a fundamental part of the command structure. What if the captain literally cracks under pressure, maybe in the crash a steel beam falls on his head and cracks his skull open and kills him? The First Officer takes command. That is the rank structure, that's why it exists in the first place. So when Schettino panicked and abandoned ship, it was the duty of the First Officer to take command. So where was he? Cowering in the lifeboat with Schettino.

By: Gelatin

Gelatin — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 13:16:26 -0800

when terrifying and stressful emergencies occur, those nominally in charge are rarely the calm confident supermen that we would like to pretend they are when we blindly put our faith in them. Then again...

By: muddgirl

muddgirl — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 13:18:52 -0800

Man, good thing both the Captain and his First Officer tripped into the exact same lifeboat when the ship started to tilt!

By: Ivan Fyodorovich

Ivan Fyodorovich — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 14:20:42 -0800

"I want to add one more thing here, and that's what I've read about studies of disasters have showed that nearly all the civilians involved manage to make good decisions and exhibit calmness under fire, even in apparent mass panics like crowd stampedes. I've been in a disaster (I'm the one interviewed who's wearing a red tie), I've seen other people deal with dramatic emergencies, and people really get pretty businesslike and only freak out after it's all over." Actually, I read a (popular, not-rigorous) book recently that surveyed people's reactions in disasters and similar emergencies, and one of the points was that it's generally rare that people "panic", but that, surprisingly, what often gets them in trouble is the tendency to do the opposite of panic, and that's under-estimate the danger they're in and delay a reasonable response. People also look to those around them for cues about what they should be doing. Finally, for the people who have responsibility (staff, whomever), there's a strong tendency to wait for orders from above, which often doesn't come or, when it does, is clearly inappropriate to the specific circumstances. These things far too often add up to people calmly doing nothing for the short time available to escape.

By: IAmBroom

IAmBroom — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 14:38:25 -0800

To anyone in this thread who has sympathy for that filthy scumbag of a captain - the rest of us certainly hope you are not in any positions of authority over human safety. I don't just want him in prison for years, but his officers as well. The very title of "ship's officer" implies responsibility for the ship and all aboard, that they chose to abandone.

By: jamaro

jamaro — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 14:41:58 -0800

Incredibly, the third officer was also in the lifeboat with Capt Crunch and his first officer, according to that Telegraph link spitbull posted way up thread.

By: lupus_yonderboy

lupus_yonderboy — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 14:43:04 -0800

Ivan Fyodorovich: yes, that's very true. I still remember that fire in the club in Rhode Island some years back... the video shows people cheering even as the walls are catching fire.

By: Chuffy

Chuffy — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 14:52:45 -0800

It seems clear to me, from listening to the recording, that De Falco is getting Schettino on record for legal reasons. It is obvious that the Captain is completely overwhelmed by his error, and at the point of the incident, he is completely and abjectly fleeing the situation. De Falco is making sure that he has the facts recorded for future legal action, and further, is also covering his own ass by assuming command, and recording the failure of others to follow his commands - so that he is not incriminated in the process. He also seems to be dumbfounded by the Captain's incompetence, and is trying to get Private Pyle over the top of that obstacle, to use a movie reference...

By: phaedon

phaedon — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 18:11:19 -0800

According to this morning's Corriere della Sera, there was a 25-year-old Moldvian girl called Domnika who doesn't appear on any crew or passenger lists. Well I'm watching BBC News and they are showing the interview with Domnica Cemortan, who is defending Schettino against claims that he was one of the first to abandon ship. Your link is in Italian, is your point that this woman is fabricating her story?

By: jkaczor

jkaczor — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 21:09:09 -0800

The Peter Principle assumes that this guy was competent at something at some point and promoted to the job of cruiseliner captain. From his behaviour, I doubt that is remotely possible... Frankly, I believe todays' world operates more on The Dilbert Principle

By: aqsakal

aqsakal — Fri, 20 Jan 2012 00:15:46 -0800

Your link is in Italian, is your point that this woman is fabricating her story? No, absolutely not - if it were, I'd have said so. I've no way of knowing whether she's telling truth or lies. Certainly the magistrates investigating the shipwreck with a view to possible criminal charges are very anxious to talk to her, according to Italian media reporting. That bare statement was all I had at the time. I've since read that (as you say) Ms Cemortan has been defending Schettino and (as others have said upthread) that she has stated she worked in some capacity for the shipping line. It's pretty easy to jump to conclusions, e.g. that the captain was having a bit of fun on the side with a pretty blonde who worked for the same company in a field usually associated with plenty of opportunity for fooling around, and that he might have been doing a close pass to impress his girlfriend. But I think we need to resist this temptation until more facts are available and she's had a chance to answer questions by the magistrates.

By: dunkadunc

dunkadunc — Fri, 20 Jan 2012 21:11:57 -0800

loquacious: "Yet another reason to never, ever go on one of those floating buffet death traps. Cruise ships are fucking ridiculous from concept to execution." I've always thought "cruise ship" was a synonym for "floating nursing home".

By: h00py

h00py — Sat, 21 Jan 2012 03:42:01 -0800

This is what happens when a David Brent type slips through to the position that they truly believe they deserve. There's lots of David Brents out there.

By: Rumple

Rumple — Sun, 22 Jan 2012 21:07:31 -0800

In [lukewarm] Defence of Captain Schettino (from a Master Mariner) An interesting video annotation which visually plots the last minutes of the ship from GPS data onto a chart, with comments from the above Mariner, John Konrad.

By: dhartung

dhartung — Tue, 24 Jan 2012 00:29:13 -0800

I've always thought "cruise ship" was a synonym for "floating nursing home". To the extent that was ever true, it was a long time ago. Beginning in the 1980s the cruise business boomed, with many new ships built, and to fill them up the marketing targeted younger couples specifically. Today median ages on most cruise lines are well under 50 or even 40. In 1986 my boss -- then under 40 -- got a free cruise with her husband (and a bunch of other couples) where they were basically used as models for advertising. The whole point was to show people that cruising wasn't just for retirees.