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Comments on MetaFilter post KhodaTue, 20 Jan 2009 17:59:57 -0800Tue, 20 Jan 2009 17:59:57 -0800en-ushttp://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss60Khoda
http://www.metafilter.com/78469/Khoda
<a href="http://vimeo.com/2074812">Khoda</a> :"What if you watch a film and whenever you pause it, you face a painting? This idea inspired <a href="http://www.rezaart.com/">Reza Dolatabadi</a> to make Khoda. Over 6000 paintings were painstakingly produced during two years to create a five minutes film."post:www.metafilter.com,2009:site.78469Tue, 20 Jan 2009 17:45:38 -0800dhruvafilmvideopaintingstopmotionBy: Defenestrator
http://www.metafilter.com/78469/Khoda#2421168
Whoah. Impressive.comment:www.metafilter.com,2009:site.78469-2421168Tue, 20 Jan 2009 17:59:57 -0800DefenestratorBy: aubilenon
http://www.metafilter.com/78469/Khoda#2421175
That varied from kind of cool to extremely cool over the course of it. Nice.comment:www.metafilter.com,2009:site.78469-2421175Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:06:44 -0800aubilenonBy: fire&wings
http://www.metafilter.com/78469/Khoda#2421185
His "paintings" are hideous, animating them and layering effects over the top doesn't really improve them. Another example of compensation for lack of ideas and ability with plain old rote slog. This wouldn't even make an acceptable low budget nu-metal video.comment:www.metafilter.com,2009:site.78469-2421185Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:12:03 -0800fire&wingsBy: hellphish
http://www.metafilter.com/78469/Khoda#2421194
Requesting link to your portfolio, fire&wings.comment:www.metafilter.com,2009:site.78469-2421194Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:17:15 -0800hellphishBy: smackfu
http://www.metafilter.com/78469/Khoda#2421198
Yeah, you can only evaluate art if you are a skilled artist!comment:www.metafilter.com,2009:site.78469-2421198Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:20:10 -0800smackfuBy: defenestration
http://www.metafilter.com/78469/Khoda#2421201
In the comments, the creator explains that it was done by (painstakingly) painting over individual frames of a 3D computer animation. It took a student two years, but a group of pros—working in concert—could achieve this style with much more expediency. I'd love to see a feature done in this GCI-meets-painterly-rotoscope fashion.
I dig. Particularly impressive as a student project.comment:www.metafilter.com,2009:site.78469-2421201Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:21:46 -0800defenestrationBy: defenestration
http://www.metafilter.com/78469/Khoda#2421207
<small>Note: I'm not particularly fond of the style and aesthetic, either. Or a lot of the direction choices, for that matter. Wait, that really means that I don't really like the film itself.
But the idea!</small>comment:www.metafilter.com,2009:site.78469-2421207Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:24:02 -0800defenestrationBy: defenestration
http://www.metafilter.com/78469/Khoda#2421211
<small>(that's a whole lotta really)</small>comment:www.metafilter.com,2009:site.78469-2421211Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:26:17 -0800defenestrationBy: MrMoonPie
http://www.metafilter.com/78469/Khoda#2421212
<a href="http://www.metafilter.com/53178/blip">1 Second Film</a> did it first.comment:www.metafilter.com,2009:site.78469-2421212Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:26:21 -0800MrMoonPieBy: chunking express
http://www.metafilter.com/78469/Khoda#2421215
People need to lay off the haterade. This is hype like DJ HYPE.comment:www.metafilter.com,2009:site.78469-2421215Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:29:17 -0800chunking expressBy: Saxon Kane
http://www.metafilter.com/78469/Khoda#2421216
<i>What if you watch a film and whenever you pause it, you face a painting?</i>
You have an animated film?comment:www.metafilter.com,2009:site.78469-2421216Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:30:33 -0800Saxon KaneBy: BrotherCaine
http://www.metafilter.com/78469/Khoda#2421219
That deeply satisfied an aesthetic hunger I didn't even know I had. I look forward to other executions of the same concept.comment:www.metafilter.com,2009:site.78469-2421219Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:31:26 -0800BrotherCaineBy: wastelands
http://www.metafilter.com/78469/Khoda#2421223
<strong>defenestration</strong>, isn't that exactly what <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0243017/">Waking Life</a> did?comment:www.metafilter.com,2009:site.78469-2421223Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:32:52 -0800wastelandsBy: selfnoise
http://www.metafilter.com/78469/Khoda#2421224
This is a cool concept and I really love the running sequence. The narrative didn't really catch me, though... it felt like imagery the artist thought was cool jumbled together.comment:www.metafilter.com,2009:site.78469-2421224Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:33:20 -0800selfnoiseBy: BrotherCaine
http://www.metafilter.com/78469/Khoda#2421230
Waking life was like the squigglevision take on this.comment:www.metafilter.com,2009:site.78469-2421230Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:36:38 -0800BrotherCaineBy: BrotherCaine
http://www.metafilter.com/78469/Khoda#2421232
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotoscoping">Rotoscoping</a> from wikipedia.comment:www.metafilter.com,2009:site.78469-2421232Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:38:08 -0800BrotherCaineBy: brundlefly
http://www.metafilter.com/78469/Khoda#2421234
wastelands, Waking Life was digitally rotoscoped live action footage. This seems like the opposite, kinda sorta: digitally generated footage, that is then duplicated with physical paintings.comment:www.metafilter.com,2009:site.78469-2421234Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:39:29 -0800brundleflyBy: defenestration
http://www.metafilter.com/78469/Khoda#2421236
wastelands: Yeah, sort of. It was shot on video, then rotoscoped. They also had some of the animation reflect what the people were saying, which was rather cool. But if you rotoscope over CGI, you don't even have to <em>start</em> with a representation of reality.
Also, I meant a feature-length <em>narrative</em> film. That is done really well. <small>Preferably by Pixar, cuz they gots style and the smarts.</small>comment:www.metafilter.com,2009:site.78469-2421236Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:41:04 -0800defenestrationBy: Liquidwolf
http://www.metafilter.com/78469/Khoda#2421251
Wow, nice work. Music could have been better, but great animation and look.comment:www.metafilter.com,2009:site.78469-2421251Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:52:23 -0800LiquidwolfBy: Science!
http://www.metafilter.com/78469/Khoda#2421254
Heh. I read this as "every time you pause it you see a painting of a face" and spent the first minute pausing it over and over desperately trying to find a face somewhere in the frame.comment:www.metafilter.com,2009:site.78469-2421254Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:53:30 -0800Science!By: EmpressCallipygos
http://www.metafilter.com/78469/Khoda#2421303
His efforts are to be praised, certainly, but...I'm a little at a loss what makes this particular efforts different from traditional stop-action animated cells?
Great job, sure, but I'm not sure what makes this particular film more worthy of FP status than...well, any old-school animated film, say.comment:www.metafilter.com,2009:site.78469-2421303Tue, 20 Jan 2009 19:34:22 -0800EmpressCallipygosBy: stbalbach
http://www.metafilter.com/78469/Khoda#2421308
Awesome.comment:www.metafilter.com,2009:site.78469-2421308Tue, 20 Jan 2009 19:39:28 -0800stbalbachBy: tybeet
http://www.metafilter.com/78469/Khoda#2421310
I was initially wondering how he could have possibly had the patience to paint and shoot, and piece together the frames, but they're all "digital paintings", which makes it markedly less impressive.comment:www.metafilter.com,2009:site.78469-2421310Tue, 20 Jan 2009 19:41:16 -0800tybeetBy: muymuy
http://www.metafilter.com/78469/Khoda#2421316
...so does this mean he has 6000 like paintings lying stacked in a corner somewhere :s
also i second the point that, as the haters have pointed out, this effect can be achieved much easier and to with better results to boot digitally without having to go through the process of making paintings with umm, actual gooey paint. though i'm sure its good practice!! >.> cuz i mean (to state the obvious), when its all said and done, you arent looking at the paintings anyways, you are looking at images of the paintings (one of this silly simulucrumbcakes i think :D :D :D ). i will go stand in fire&wings corner in stating that, the impressive time and effort put forth notwithstanding, it is aesthetically average at best and his basic technical ability, while not awful, is indistiguished. anyways, i hope his dad rests in pieces!comment:www.metafilter.com,2009:site.78469-2421316Tue, 20 Jan 2009 19:50:07 -0800muymuyBy: echo target
http://www.metafilter.com/78469/Khoda#2421328
The story is meh, but I do like the style. Could be replicated more efficiently with the brush tools in Photoshop, of course. He's managed to control the squigglyness surprisingly well. I remember that Waking Life so disoriented me with its squiggling and boiling and vibrating and sliding and distorting that immediately upon leaving the theater, I walked directly into a pole.comment:www.metafilter.com,2009:site.78469-2421328Tue, 20 Jan 2009 20:01:34 -0800echo targetBy: RGD
http://www.metafilter.com/78469/Khoda#2421341
I'd rather have Brakhage.comment:www.metafilter.com,2009:site.78469-2421341Tue, 20 Jan 2009 20:18:25 -0800RGDBy: roll truck roll
http://www.metafilter.com/78469/Khoda#2421360
EmpressCallipygos, one big difference is that in traditional animation, they don't redraw the background for every frame. Also (not that this necessarily matters), it's my understanding that the "real" animators only draw one frame for every half-second or so, and the inbetween frames are done by interns and/or Koreans.comment:www.metafilter.com,2009:site.78469-2421360Tue, 20 Jan 2009 20:38:02 -0800roll truck rollBy: azarbayejani
http://www.metafilter.com/78469/Khoda#2421362
Don't get the story, but the style is ridiculous. Just so you know, the title means God in Farsi.comment:www.metafilter.com,2009:site.78469-2421362Tue, 20 Jan 2009 20:39:26 -0800azarbayejaniBy: Falconetti
http://www.metafilter.com/78469/Khoda#2421374
Should have been called Kesafat.comment:www.metafilter.com,2009:site.78469-2421374Tue, 20 Jan 2009 20:59:56 -0800FalconettiBy: Ynoxas
http://www.metafilter.com/78469/Khoda#2421396
Art student unearths lost art of animation. Guy in black beret declares it "genius".comment:www.metafilter.com,2009:site.78469-2421396Tue, 20 Jan 2009 21:11:08 -0800YnoxasBy: krinklyfig
http://www.metafilter.com/78469/Khoda#2421414
<b>tybeet</b> <a href='http://www.metafilter.com/78469/Khoda#2421310'>writes</a> <em>"I was initially wondering how he could have possibly had the patience to paint and shoot, and piece together the frames, but they're all 'digital paintings', which makes it markedly less impressive."</em>
Aw. I was hoping it was a whole bunch of canvasses. Though I guess that would get pretty expensive and consume a lot of space storing them all.
It's probably faster than trying to do stop-motion animation with marble sculpture. That would be pretty cool.comment:www.metafilter.com,2009:site.78469-2421414Tue, 20 Jan 2009 21:32:51 -0800krinklyfigBy: cazoo
http://www.metafilter.com/78469/Khoda#2421466
Your favorite film student thesis project sucks.comment:www.metafilter.com,2009:site.78469-2421466Tue, 20 Jan 2009 22:47:44 -0800cazooBy: Enron Hubbard
http://www.metafilter.com/78469/Khoda#2421601
The first thing that I thought of when seeing the film was how much it reminds me of Willis O'brien's fingerprints left in King Kong's fur during the stop-motion animation process.comment:www.metafilter.com,2009:site.78469-2421601Wed, 21 Jan 2009 05:24:06 -0800Enron HubbardBy: Ynoxas
http://www.metafilter.com/78469/Khoda#2421767
<em>It's probably faster than trying to do stop-motion animation with marble sculpture. That would be pretty cool.
posted by krinklyfig at 11:32 PM on January 20 </em>
Okay, now that would be art I would enjoy. Seeing a row of stone busts of a man sneezing in stop-motion would be impressive.comment:www.metafilter.com,2009:site.78469-2421767Wed, 21 Jan 2009 08:53:55 -0800YnoxasBy: EmpressCallipygos
http://www.metafilter.com/78469/Khoda#2421862
<em>EmpressCallipygos, one big difference is that in traditional animation, they don't redraw the background for every frame. Also (not that this necessarily matters), it's my understanding that the "real" animators only draw one frame for every half-second or so, and the inbetween frames are done by interns and/or Koreans.</em>
I know that this was the case 20 years ago, but in the early days of animation each frame was indeed drawn by hand in just this way.
It's a yeoman's effort, to be sure....I just wish the actual story held up a bit better, is all. It's like how I can respect the effort of someone who wrote an entire book typing on an Underwood with only their left hand, but if that effort only yielded a mediocre result, I'm not going to recommend it to people.comment:www.metafilter.com,2009:site.78469-2421862Wed, 21 Jan 2009 10:28:58 -0800EmpressCallipygosBy: Joey Bagels
http://www.metafilter.com/78469/Khoda#2421927
As Barack Obama might say, this is <em>old school</em>:
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RE1Bl62ADeA">
"Eye Myth" by Stan Brakhage</a>
(I couldn't quickly find a YouTube version of "Night Music," which comprised hundreds of images painted directly on IMAX film stock, but you'll get the idea. Try to imagine it projected, on a fairly big screen.)comment:www.metafilter.com,2009:site.78469-2421927Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:16:06 -0800Joey BagelsBy: seagull.apollo
http://www.metafilter.com/78469/Khoda#2422290
It seems to me that the people who dislike this are forgetting that this isn't really about making an incredible movie. It's about having an idea, and doing it, regardless of how long it takes. That's what makes it cool. Who cares if you don't like the art! Appreciate the thousands of hours of work put into it. To me, it's much like Monet at the end of his life. It's great that he captured every photon of light that was hitting those waterlilies, but the overall result is not to my liking. Still, the execution of vision is impressive, regardless. It's the intensity that counts, people, not the result!comment:www.metafilter.com,2009:site.78469-2422290Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:45:20 -0800seagull.apolloBy: krinklyfig
http://www.metafilter.com/78469/Khoda#2422485
<b>seagull.apollo</b> <a href='http://www.metafilter.com/78469/Khoda#2422290'>writes</a> <em>"It's the intensity that counts, people, not the result!"</em>
Ah, I must remember to put that on my resume.comment:www.metafilter.com,2009:site.78469-2422485Wed, 21 Jan 2009 18:00:35 -0800krinklyfigBy: StickyCarpet
http://www.metafilter.com/78469/Khoda#2422486
If only my dvd player wouldn't go to sleep after 5 or 10 minutes this might make sense.comment:www.metafilter.com,2009:site.78469-2422486Wed, 21 Jan 2009 18:01:53 -0800StickyCarpetBy: Mister Moofoo
http://www.metafilter.com/78469/Khoda#2422603
Wow. I'm gonna do something artlike as soon as I get home, because it's been far too long since I have.comment:www.metafilter.com,2009:site.78469-2422603Wed, 21 Jan 2009 19:59:04 -0800Mister MoofooBy: seagull.apollo
http://www.metafilter.com/78469/Khoda#2422743
<em>Wow. I'm gonna do something artlike as soon as I get home, because it's been far too long since I have.</em>
One point for Khoda!comment:www.metafilter.com,2009:site.78469-2422743Wed, 21 Jan 2009 23:15:57 -0800seagull.apollo
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