This exploratory study examines the act of mass murder as an attempt by the perpetrators to lay claim to a hegemonic masculine identity that has been damaged or denied them, yet that they feel entitled to as males in American culture ... There is no psychological profile unique to mass murderers and many authors have speculated on their motivations. However, in this study, the range of interrelated stressors experienced by the majority of mass murderers threatened their hegemonic masculine identity and these men engaged in violence to protect their identity.
Im 22 years old and Im still a virgin. I've never even kissed a girl. I've been through college for 2.5 years, More than that actually. And I am still a virgin. That has been very torturous. College is the time when everyone experiences those things such as sex and fun and pleasure. But in those years i have had to rot in loneliness. Its not fair. You girls have never been attracted to me. I don't know why you girls aren't attracted to me, but I will punish you all for it. It is an injustice, a crime, because I don't know what you don't see in me. I am the perfect guy. And yet you throw yourselves at all of these obnoxious men instead of me, the supreme gentleman. I will punish of all you for it. (laughs) On the day of retribution, I am going to enter the hottest sorority house of UCSB and I will slaughter every-single spoiled stuck up blonde slut I see inside there.The dude's crazed maniacal laugh is awful.
I think that's a huge stretch. His last video with the crazy laughs was not in any sense standard MRA ranting.I watched that video and I disagree. There's nothing there that isn't said constantly. He's a Nice Guy and a Gentleman and he doesn't understand why these sluts won't sleep with him but will sleep with men he doesn't approve of, so he's going to hurt them.
Shifman said family members called authorities several weeks ago after being alarmed by YouTube videos "regarding suicide and the killing of people."posted by Jacqueline at 3:10 PM on May 24, 2014 [4 favorites]
Police interviewed Elliot Rodger and found him to be a "perfectly polite, kind and wonderful human," Shifman said. Authorities did not find a history of guns, but did say the 22-year-old had trouble making friends, he added.
the number of MRA goons who kill someone¨Cor even commit a crime¨C is an infinitesimal percentage?
Wizardchan is a Japanese-inspired image-based forum (imageboard) for male virgins to share their thoughts and discuss their interests and lifestyle as a virgin.posted by palomar at 6:26 PM on May 24, 2014 [1 favorite]
Three 9 mm handguns¡ªtwo Sig Sauers and a Glock¡ªwere found inside of Rodger's car, along with 41 magazines loaded with ten rounds of ammunition each.posted by palomar at 6:39 PM on May 24, 2014
I did, however, pass by one young girl, and she was like a goddess who came down from heaven. She was walking alone, in her bathing suit, with her luscious blonde hair blowing in the wind. I coudln't help but slyly admire her beauty as we passed by each other. I was scared. I was scared that she might view me as nothing but an inferior insect who's [sic] presence ruins her atmosphere. Her beauty was intoxicating! And then, just as we passed each other, she actually looked at me. She looked at me and smiled. Most girls never even deigned to look at me, and this one actually looked at me and smiled. I had never felt so euphoric in my life. One smile. One smile was all it took to brighten my entire day. The power that beautiful women have is unbelievable. They can temporarily turn a desperate boy's whole world around just by smiling.One of the major points I see throughout this guy's story, and I'm sure it's no surprise to anyone: he never actually makes any effort. Up to this point in the story, he hasn't mentioned once actually speaking to a girl and getting rebuffed, let alone speaking to a girl at all. He encounters girls at social events or at school, but he makes a point of mentioning how outrageous it is that they already have boyfriends and have fun with other people (page 78):
That smile put me in a good, healthy mood for the rest of that walk, but it soon faded away as I realized that I could never actually have a girl as beautiful as that. She probably only smiled out of politeness. She would never go for me. And what is the point to life if I can't have a girl of such beauty? Some men get to have beautiful girlfriends like that, and some don't. I am among those who are denied such a pleasure, and that is why I hate life.
In my history class, I had a crush on a really pretty girl, only to find out that she had a boyfriend, and in my psychology class there was this group of popular kids who acted obnoxious the whole time. One of them was a very pretty blonde girl, and she actually enjoyed associated with the obnoxious boys in her clique. The injustice! I hated them all.There are also several mentions of how easier it would be for him to get women to pay attention to him if he could just be a multi-millionaire, but he refuses to accept any job that he considers beneath him, so the entry-level teen-appropriate jobs offered to him by counselors and family friends are rejected, and he pins his hopes for millionairehood on Mega Millions lotto tickets.
The ultimate evil behind sexuality is the human female. They are the main instigators of sex. They control which men get it and which men don't. Women are flawed creatures, and my mistreatment at their hands has made me realize this sad truth. There is something very twisted and wrong with the way their brains are wired. They think like beasts and in truth they are beasts. Women are incapable of having morals or thinking rationally. They are completely controlled by their depraved emotions and vile sexual impulses. Because of this, the men who get to experience the pleasures of sex and the privilege of breeding are the men who women are sexually attracted to...the stupid, degenerate, obnoxious men. I have observed this all my life. The most beautiful women choose to mate with the most brutal men, instead of a magnificent gentlemen like myself.posted by Lutoslawski at 8:43 PM on May 24, 2014 [22 favorites]
Women should not have the right to choose who to mate and breed with. The decision should be made for them by rational men of intelligence. If women continue to have rights, they will only hinder the advancement of the human race by breeding with degenerate men and creating stupid degenerate, stupid offspring. This will cause humanity to become even more depraved with each generation. Women have more power in society than they deserve, all because of sex. There is no creature more depraved and evil than the human female.
Women are like a plague. They don't deserve to have any rights. Their wickedness must be contained in order to prevent future generations from falling to degeneracy. Women are vicious, evil, barbaric animals, and they deserve to be treated as such.
You have vandalized my heart, raped my soul, and torched my conscience. You thought it was one pathetic boy's life you were extinguishing. [...] You forced me into a corner and gave me only one option. The decision was yours. Now you have blood on your hands that will never wash off.posted by Pyry at 10:12 PM on May 24, 2014 [3 favorites]
You had everything you wanted. Your Mercedes wasn't enough, you brats. Your golden necklaces weren't enough, you snobs. Your trust fund wasn't enough. Your Vodka and Cognac weren't enough. All your debaucheries weren't enough. Those weren't enough to fulfill your hedonistic needs. You had everything.
My first week turned out to be very unpleasant, leaving a horrific first impression of my new life in Santa Barbara. My two housemates were nice, but they kept inviting over this friend of theirs named Chance. He was black boy who came over all the time, and I hated his cocksure attitude. Inevitably, a vile incident occurred between me and him. I was eating a meal in the kitchen when he came over and started bragging to my housemates about his success with girls. I couldn¡¯t stand it, so I proceeded to ask them all if they were virgins. They all looked at me weirdly and said that they had lost their virginity long ago. I felt so inferior, as it reminded me of how much I have missed out in life. And then this black boy named Chance said that he lost his virginity when he was only thirteen! In addition, he said that the girl he lost his virginity to was a blonde white girl! I was so enraged that I almost splashed him with my orange juice. I indignantly told him that I did not believe him, and then I went to my room to cry. I cried and cried and cried, and then I called my mother and cried to her on the phone.I don't even...
How could an inferior, ugly black boy be able to get a white girl and not me? I am beautiful, and I am half white myself. I am descended from British aristocracy. He is descended from slaves. I deserve it more. I tried not to believe his foul words, but they were already said, and it was hard to erase from my mind. If this is actually true, if this ugly black filth was able to have sex with a blonde white girl at the age of thirteen while I¡¯ve had to suffer virginity all my life, then this just proves how ridiculous the female gender is. They would give themselves to this filthy scum, but they reject ME? The injustice!
"Events like this," I said, "if they are influenced by anything, are influenced by news programs like your own. When an unbalanced kid walks into a school and starts shooting, it becomes a major media event. Cable news drops ordinary programming and goes around the clock with it. The story is assigned a logo and a theme song; these two kids were packaged as the Trench Coat Mafia. The message is clear to other disturbed kids around the country: If I shoot up my school, I can be famous. The TV will talk about nothing else but me. Experts will try to figure out what I was thinking. The kids and teachers at school will see they shouldn't have messed with me. I'll go out in a blaze of glory."As important as it is to understand the source of this violence in our culture, there is this sickening way in which it is way too easy to only feed the beast by doing so. When we talk about this specific shooter, like when we talk about any of the other largely interchangable shooters, as if their name, thoughts or perspectives matter, rather than the ones that influenced them or those of their victims, we only confirm how entitled white men are the center of the world and how shooting people is an effective strategy for keeping it that way.
In short, I said, events like Columbine are influenced far less by violent movies than by CNN, the NBC Nightly News and all the other news media, who glorify the killers in the guise of "explaining" them. I commended the policy at the Sun-Times, where our editor said the paper would no longer feature school killings on Page 1. The reporter thanked me and turned off the camera. Of course the interview was never used. They found plenty of talking heads to condemn violent movies, and everybody was happy.
You will be the only man left, with all the females. You would be able to have your pick of any beautiful woman you want, as well as having dealt vengeance on the men who took them from you.He was not telling himself a story about unreasoning violence, he was using/given a very specific framing.
Holy shitballs.I don't know what else I can say, but that there are multiple factors, mental illness is one of them, but it does not negate the fact that there is a social component (not meaning his rejection, but the environment of MRA/PUA) that is a substantial contributor to his way of thinking and that this movement, as it continues to fester, will continue to spawn more and more dangerous actions to innocent lives.
So that killing that happened at UCSB by a hunger games assistant director's son. The video is just fucking insane.
I'm kind of pissed that some mefites are in denial over his clear mental illness.
There is no excuse for his actions, and yes, the PUA/MRA movement is dangerous and full of very problematic people. This video shows the mind of one individual who was infected by such horrible thinking.
As a guy who has been rejected in the past, who has had self-pitying thoughts and can understand where they come from (and who still occasionally gets his pity-party on), I can understand where these feelings of rejection come from, and the anger the "what's wrong with me?" feeling... then the inability to accept that there might be something wrong (the way you approach women, the way you treat them, the way you reach for someone who isn't really "your type", etc...)... And indeed, this whole "you're not a man if you don't get laid by the time college is over" is just as insidious and rotten as the inverse of "Wait til you're married". Both are social mores that must be combatted... Both, ultimately, stem from the same source: Patriarchy.
That said, watching his videos, there is some form of... I would guess a personality disorder. Some form of narcissistic element is very very very clear. The "I am god" and "you are animals"... The sort of sense of deep importance and pride he puts in himself, and this "pretty girls" as if he demands it from them, and they MUST submit. MRA/PUA mentality fits his mind very well, as it is that sort of thinking that dictates that women OWE them something just cuz they're men, and if they're rejected it's certainly not their fault it most be "YOU girls" (as he says in one of the videos).
I don't understand how someone can watch these videos and not see a clear sense of mental issues.
I don't think it's fair to say the cause of his actions are pure mental illness or mere MRA/PUA/RedPill bullshittery. It's a combination. That, however, does NOT excuse the toxic environment of the movement. I think many people who try to say there's no mental illness involved are taking a reactive approach as if by saying that if there is mental illness involved it excuses the MRA from their role in his actions, and that does not follow. Not a bit. Social environments play a role in an individual's formation. Individuals act within a social environment. Individuals are complex entities with conflicting inner desires that may or may not be met by the outside world or by themselves. Thoughts can fester.
It's clear this individual has something wrong with him, and I would hazard a guess that the girls who told him "no" understood this and saw it. "I am a perfect gentleman" (he exclaims in an authoritarian, almost demanding to be recognized, and most definitely chuffed in this proclamation). I see the seeds of narcissism very deep here, the insecurity he feels towards himself, the need to project and outwardly gain status via self-aggrandizement... If it isn't NPD, it's certainly some other personality disorder with similar traits.
in that video he talks like george lucas wrote his dialogue.
seriously, just like anakin
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>Go to /r9k/
This is never a good idea
I did peek at some of the worse boards just to see their reactions. Even /b/ and /pol/ seem to recognize that this kid was a laughable tool for the most part. /r9k/ is truly broken
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You know, it's weird. I know a guy a couple of years younger than me. I was introduced to him through my girlfriend at the time... who he'd had a massive crush on until I came from nowhere and got with her. I was that other guy from so many stories.
Anyway, he kept writing songs about her, had similarly poor tastes in music, and we found out his younger brother had got laid when he still hadn't. Tried to be nice to the guy but he became a massive douche[....]I totally forgot my point, the guy looks like rodger. Like same face shape, proportions, similar mannerisms. I actually heard him bitch a few times about how girls wouldn't like him like that... iunno, some people just sad, mang.
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I'm reading some of this guy's crap. I used to be a writing tutor in college, i cant even count how many losers i met who thought just like him. Most of them werent crazy enough to shoot a bunch of people, but it was the same mindset.
They all think they're geniuses, even though they're all fairly dumb. They cant write for shit, but always have aspirations to set the writing world on fire with their amazing literary skill. They all got sent to me because all of their writing is just a collection of narcissistic babbling, fuckers cant even stick to whatever the assignment is.
A 140 page manifesto? Shit dude, the unibomber's wasnt even that long, and he actually had some pretty interesting things to sya.
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Good news if you're wondering if you're as psycho as that guy: You're not. Because if you were as psycho as that guy, you wouldn't be wondering about it, you would be sure you weren't
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>Pushes what people want to be friends with him away and ignores them
>Wonders why he is alone in the world and why no one likes him
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notice how he states multiple time his gf has to be "beautiful"
he doesn't seek love as he would let himself believe, he just want to be noticed and envied by others
little narcissistic prick
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>give me your sex
>I deserve pleasure
>pls respond
>muh BMW
He's kinda a less dedicated, more realistic Patrick Bateman
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I can't wait to The Last Psychiatrist writing about this.
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My mum was like "oh this 22 year old american killed all these people because he didn't have a girlfriend... you don't have a girlfriend or boyfriend either, do you? I hope you wouldn't be so silly"
I was all like jesus christ mum give me some credit here
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>liked GoT
>didn't wait until after season 4 finishes to embark on his rampage
Doofus
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He was clearly not right in the head. He seems to think that women should be throwing themselves at him for arbitrary reasons like his car, and he struggled with human interactions and was searching for a perfect girlfriend who would not come.
Since 1966, the National Rifle Association has urged the federal government to address the problem of mental illness and violence. As we noted then, ¡°the time is at hand to seek means by which society can identify, treat and temporarily isolate such individuals,¡± because ¡°elimination of the instrument by which these crimes are committed cannot arrest the ravages of a psychotic murderer.The gun lobby constantly argues that failures in the federal mental healthcare system is the issue in these situations, in order to shift responsibility onto mental healthcare rather than the ease of acquiring guns. It is the same argument as "people would kill each other with knives or bricks if guns were not available". It's true in some ways, untrue in others, and advanced with a particular goal in mind.
@Daniel_Gadsby It is up to men to combat misogyny and yesterday's tragedy.. "Not ok, bro, and here's why" needs to be said more often. #yesallwomen rt pleaseHe still would have killed people without the guns. Stop pretending his killing had anything to do with having access to guns
NoraReed: "Hire more female cops."This is one of the things that really has stood out to me after moving to Germany. Most of the time I see two cops walking or driving down the street, there's one male and one female cop. It makes a big difference to how I perceive the presence of police.
- Misogynist culture plays a role hereNone of these things are less true for them all being true.
- So does mental illness
- So does access to weapons that make killing large numbers of people trivial
I cannot kill every single female on earth, but I can deliver a devastating blow that will shake all of them to the core of their wicked hearts. I will attack the very girls who represent everything I hate in the female gender: The hottest sorority of UCSB.That sure looks a lot like hate speech to me, designed to make a specific group of people afraid. Replace the word "female" with the name for any other group of people, see how it sounds, and then tell me that shouldn't be a factor in how we discuss this issue.
I understand that as a man your initial response to women talking about misogyny, sexism, rape culture and sexual violence is to wave your hands in the air like a drowning man and cry, ¡°Not all men! Not all men!¡± as if to signal yourself as someone who is not an entitled, presumptive fuck-whistle, but please believe me that interjecting yourself in that way confirms that you are.posted by palomar at 12:27 PM on May 25, 2014 [49 favorites]
...Instead of telling women that it¡¯s not all men, show them.
Show them by listening and supporting.
Show them by cleaning the dogshit out of your ears and listening to their stories ¡ª and recognize that while no, it¡¯s not ¡°all men,¡± it¡¯s still ¡°way too many men.¡±
In 2012, Johnson & Johnson settled a lawsuit claiming that Risperdal caused hundreds of male patients to grow breast tissue. Additionally, Johnson & Johnson face many claims that consumers were misled by both marketing and product packaging of Risperdal. [cite]So it's entirely possible, given how maladjusted his worldview seems to have been, that he refused medication because he thought it would make him look like an inferior; a woman. (From his POV I mean).
A mental disorder is a syndrome characterized by clinically significant disturbance in an individual's cognition, emotion regulation, or behavior that reflects a dysfunction in the psychological, biological, or developmental processes underlying mental functioning. Mental disorders are usually associated with significant distress in social, occupational, or other important activities. An expectable or culturally approved response to a common stressor or loss, such as the death of a loved one, is not a mental disorder. Socially deviant behavior (e.g., political, religious, or sexual) and conflicts that are primarily between the individual and society are not mental disorders unless the deviance or conflict results from a dysfunction in the individual, as described above.I know of no DSM category which covers: "Thinks women owe him sex" or even "thinks he should be able to have sex slaves". Both of these things, when they occur, are treated as criminal infractions, not mental health infractions, if they are considered infractions at all (in the case of "women owe me sex" it's more of a cultural norm; 'I bought her dinner, why won't she give me at least a blow job, the slut').
We've had twenty years of mass murderers, throughout which I have repeatedly told CNN and our other media, if you don't want to propagate more mass murders, don't start the story with sirens blaring. Don't have photographs of the killer. Don't make this 24/7 coverage. Do everything you can not to make the body count the lead story, not to make the killer some kind of Anti-Hero. Do localize this story to the affected community, and make it as boring as possible in every other market. Because every time we have intense saturation coverage of a mass murder, we expect to see one or two more within a week.Publishing these people's screeds online is just a new way of creating copycats. I see a few similar tomes every year -- though thankfully not usually as long -- and there's a lot of that stuff out there. Making one or two famous inspires envy in others, and envy is key here.
As soon as women began to speak about the massacre, a curious thing happened. Men all over the world - not all men, but enough men - began to push back, to demand that we qualify our anger and mitigate our fear. Not all men are violent misogynists.posted by running order squabble fest at 4:59 PM on May 25, 2014 [27 favorites]
Well, there have always been good men. Actually, I firmly believe that today there are more tolerant, humane men who recognise and celebrate the equality of the sexes than there have ever been before. Today, what I hear from many men and boys who talk to me about gender justice - decent, humane men and boys of the kind the twenty-teens are also, blessedly, producing in great numbers - is fear and bewilderment. Who are these people? Where do they live? And the unspoken fear: do I know them? Might I have met some of them, drunk with them? If the wind had changed when I was growing, if I had read different books and had different friends, might it have been me? If any man is capable of this, is every man capable of it?
Well, those are the correct questions to ask. What I hear more often, however, is ¡°not all men¡±. I hear that age-old horror of women¡¯s anger drowning out everything else. Not all men are like this. Don¡¯t look at us. Don¡¯t shout at us. Please, don¡¯t ask us to stand up and be counted.
can you speculate as to why that way of thinking appealed to you? Did your family teach you toxic masculinity crap, or was it all peers/society? Can you imagine ways in which you could have been raised that would have inoculated you against that?I spent my adolescence in an all boys boarding school, and so I think I would have been particularly at risk for exposure to this toxic combination of status anxiety, male hyper competition, and believing that girls are an alien species. Add to that this belief that the world functions just like a classroom where all you have to do is say the right things and demonstrate the correct forms of knowledge for a reward and I certainly did have my share of awkwardness, confusion and frustration in my university years.
Mike hadn¡¯t slept for five nights. He¡¯d spent most of his days wandering aimlessly through Manhattan. He¡¯d walked twenty miles one day going nowhere. He¡¯d also become fixated on a friend named Jen, only she didn¡¯t know it. He was convinced they¡¯d soon be married. He told me his plans shortly as his friend dropped him off.After some back and forth and in and out of treatment centers, Mike has a breakdown and Earley tries to get him admitted, after telling the above stories and more to the admitting nurse. And waiting. And waiting.
¡°I¡¯ve got to save her,¡± Mike said. ¡°I¡¯ve got to save Jen.¡±
¡°From what?¡±
¡°Evil.¡±
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Although confused, Mike seemed to be thinking rationally. We brought him home. Two days after that, he got up early before everyone, slipped outside and decided to go for a drive. About a mile from the house, he let go of the steering wheel and shut his eyes. He told me later that he¡¯d not been sure if he had been awake or dreaming. He figured the quickest way to find out was to turn loose of the wheel.
The car crashed into a parked sedan.
For the next two hours, we waited. Two hours! No one came to help us. No one poked a head in to ask if we were okay. Mike was still reading the same magazine. He was starting to discern secret messages in the text. I was beginning to seethe.Then later:
¡°This is incredible,¡± he giggled.
Another hour passed and then, unbelievably, another. I¡¯d always prided myself on being polite, patient. But four hours! It was midnight now. I couldn¡¯t believe we were still waiting. What was the hold-up?
¡°I¡¯m leaving,¡± Mike announced.
¡°Just a minute,¡± I said. I rushed into the hall and waved down a nurse. A few minutes later, a doctor entered the room. He was in his thirties, clean-cut, and all-business. As he came in, he raised both hands as if he were surrendering to enemy troops.
¡°Sorry you¡¯ve had to wait, but we¡¯re busy, and there¡¯s not going to be much I can do for you,¡± he said.
I thought: You haven¡¯t even examined my son! But the doctor explained that the intake nurse had already warned him that my son believed all medicines were poison.
The doctor asked Mike: ¡°Do you know who I am?¡±
¡°You¡¯re the witch doctor. Ow-ee-ow-ah-ah.¡±
The doctor grinned. This isn¡¯t funny, I thought. I blurted out: ¡°He¡¯s been diagnosed as having bipolar disorder.¡± I began to explain how Mike had been hospitalized at Dominion Hospital twice and how he had not been taking his anti-psychotic medicine for at least five months.
But the doctor cut me short.
¡°What¡¯s happened before this moment doesn¡¯t really matter,¡± he declared.
I was stunned. ¡°It doesn¡¯t matter?¡± Would you say this to a patient complaining of any other illness?
¡°On the drive here from New York, Mike asked me how I¡¯d feel if someone I loved killed himself,¡± I said. I wanted this doctor to understand how serious this was.
He turned to face Mike and asked: ¡°Are you going to hurt yourself or anyone else?¡±
¡°No!¡±
The doctor glanced back at me and shrugged.
I couldn¡¯t believe this was happening.
¡°He¡¯s delusional!¡± I exclaimed. ¡°For godsakes, he¡¯s been reading the same magazine page for four hours.¡±
With an irritated look, the doctor asked Mike: ¡°Who¡¯s the president of the United States?¡±
¡°That idiot George Bush.¡±
¡°What day is it today?¡±
Other questions followed: ¡°Can you count backwards by sevens from a hundred? What does the phrase ¡®Don¡¯t cry over spilled milk¡¯ mean? How about the words: ¡®A heavy heart?¡¯¡±
Mike answered each question easily. Then he explained that he was God¡¯s personal messenger and that he was indestructible.
The doctor said: ¡°Virginia law is very specific. Unless a patient is in imminent danger to himself or others, I cannot treat him unless he voluntarily agrees to be treated.¡± Before I could reply, he asked Mike: ¡°Will you take medicines if I offer them to you?¡±
¡°No, I don¡¯t believe in our poisons,¡± Mike said. ¡°Can I leave now?¡±
¡°Yes,¡± the doctor answered without consulting me. Mike jumped off the patient¡¯s table and hurried out the door. I started after him, but stopped and decided to try one last time to reason with the doctor.
¡°My son¡¯s bipolar, he¡¯s off his meds, he has a history of psychotic behavior. You¡¯ve got to do something! He¡¯s sick! Help him, please!¡±
He said: ¡°Your son is an adult and while he is clearly acting odd, he has a right under the law to refuse treatment.¡±
¡°Then you take him home with you tonight!¡± I exclaimed.
Before the doctor could respond, we both heard a commotion in the hallway. Mike was screaming at his mother because she had told him that he needed to take his medicine. ¡°You drink beer, why not take your medicine?¡± she¡¯d asked. ¡°Alcohol is a drug.¡±
My son was so out-of-control that a nurse called hospital security. I was glad. Maybe now they will medicate him, I thought. But before the security guard arrived, Mike dashed outside, cursing loudly. I went after him. Meanwhile, the doctor told my ex-wife that it was not illegal for someone to be mentally ill in Virginia. But it was illegal for him to treat them unless they consented. There was nothing he could do.
¡°Even if he¡¯s psychotic?¡± she asked.
¡°Yes.¡±
Mike couldn¡¯t forcibly be treated, the doctor elaborated, until he hurt himself or someone else.
Unsure what to do next, I slipped into my office and called the Fairfax County police.posted by phearlez at 3:20 PM on May 26, 2014 [26 favorites]
¡°Until he breaks the law, we can¡¯t get involved,¡± a dispatcher told me.
Patti telephoned a friend whose daughter has bipolar disorder. The friend told her: ¡°I had the same problem when we took our daughter to the hospital. I yelled at her doctor: ¡®Do I have to wait for my daughter to hang herself before you¡¯ll treat her?¡¯ And he said: ¡®Yes. If she attempts suicide, then we can do something. Sorry, but it¡¯s the law.¡¯¡±
During the month or so that it took SFWA to figure out what it wanted to do with this guy, a SFWA officer sat on the formal complaint I¡¯d submitted because she thought I had ¡°sent it in anger¡± and that I might not be aware of the consequences of sending something like that to the Board. A SFWA affiliate member posted a call for civility on his website; in the process he called me ¡°an Omarosa¡± and a ¡°drama queen¡±, but of course he didn¡¯t mean those in a racialized or gendered way.#yesallspacewomen.
In a semi-secret unofficial SFWA forum there was intense debate ¡ª involving former SFWA presidents and officers, and people who weren¡¯t members at all ¡ª about why it was desperately important that SFWA retain its harassers and assaulters, no matter how many members they drove off, because their ability to say whatever they wanted was more important than everyone¡¯s ability to function in genre workspaces, and SFWA¡¯s ability to exist as a professional association.
Men have been lied to their entire lives about makes a man a man and how they can them sex without ever discussing that the sex part comes with another human being and not a fleshlight.So did Green With You in the comment right above yours.
Rodger¡¯s dad, Peter Rodger, worked on the 2012 blockbuster ¡°Hunger Games¡± as a second unit director, collecting background shots and scenery footagewhich, unsually so far, gets the father's credit on the film correct, but then elaborates with a textbook description of a 2nd unit director that doesn't comport with Rodger's actual role.
Face it, you¡¯d get sick of me and my nice guy ways. I¡¯ll remember your birthday and our anniversary and I¡¯ll buy you flowers on both. I¡¯ll treat you with respect and you¡¯ll get bored. I know damn well you¡¯re going to end up cheating on me, and I don¡¯t plan on giving you half my stuff when you do. I work hard for what I have and now that I¡¯ve achieved a little success I would love someone to share my life with. But that¡¯s not going to be you. You thought I wasn¡¯t worthy of you back then and I feel you¡¯re not worthy of me now.And, sometimes, people find that sitting around talking about this stuff is no longer doing it for them, and they go a little further, and then a little further again, because they have established that whatever they do is an act of retaliation in the face of the violence women are doing to them all the time - by outperforming them academically or professionally, by sleeping with other men, by refusing to sleep with men at all, by ignoring or mocking their pick-up lines.
Now that the bad boys have used you up and moved on to women 10 years younger, so have I. It¡¯s a funny thing, now that I¡¯ve achieved a little success, drive a nice car and have stability in my life, I¡¯m getting attention from those girls too. I don¡¯t need you anymore. I¡¯m not in the mood to deal with you, your issues, or your ex and his issues. I¡¯m not looking to help you raise the mini-me version of some guy you used to bang. I want my own children someday, not the offspring of Mr. Neck Tattoo.)
The men most intent on commodifying women as status symbols are typically those least willing to "resort to" simply paying them.posted by running order squabble fest at 4:54 PM on May 26, 2014 [10 favorites]
Amok originated from the Malay/Indonesian word mengamuk, which when roughly defined means ¡°to make a furious and desperate charge¡±.[5] According to Malay/Indonesian culture, amok was rooted in a deep spiritual belief.[6] They believed that amok was caused by the hantu belian,[7] which was an evil tiger spirit that entered one¡¯s body and caused the heinous act. As a result of the belief, those in Indonesian culture tolerated amok and dealt with the after effects with no ill will towards the assailant.[8]posted by jamjam at 6:47 PM on May 26, 2014 [2 favorites]
Although commonly used in a colloquial and less-violent sense, the phrase is particularly associated with a specific sociopathic culture-bound syndrome in Malaysian culture. In a typical case of running amok, an individual (often male), having shown no previous sign of anger or any inclination to violence, will acquire a weapon (traditionally a sword or dagger, but presently any of a variety of weapons) and in a sudden frenzy, will attempt to kill or seriously injure anyone he encounters and himself.[9] Amok typically takes place in a well populated or crowded area. Amok episodes of this kind normally end with the attacker being killed by bystanders or committing suicide, eliciting theories that amok may be a form of intentional suicide in cultures where suicide is heavily stigmatized.[10]
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A widely accepted explanation links amok with male honor (amok by women is virtually unknown).[12] Running amok would thus be both a way of escaping the world (since perpetrators were normally killed) and re-establishing one's reputation as a man to be feared and respected. ...
WidgetAlley> I urge you to think of this next time you consider saying, or you hear anyone else say, "Well, why didn't she just turn him down or tell him no (or fight back or say something in response to harrassment or whatever the action-policing du jour is)?" It's 'cause many of us are scared that, if we do, we will be physically hurt or killed."Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them."
almostmanda> Every woman who hears about this story now knows that there are men who will kill her for refusing sexual advances, and will keep that in mind when considering her actions.... [V]iolence against women who reject men's advances is an ongoing pattern.
dg> .... I was the laughing stock of something like 800 kids. Turned out her and her friends had made something of a game out of pretending to like boys just, you know, for fun. I don't know that this would have led me down a path that had mass murder at the end of it, but I sure hated girls for a long time after that. [...] It made me hate girls for a while but I, you know, grew up and got over it.
hydropsyche> I'm sorry so many men had the experience as boys of a girl being put up to asking them out and having the whole school laugh at them. I'm sorry that made you hate girls and women. As a girl, I had multiple similar experiences of boys being put up to asking me out and having the whole school laugh at me. But, because I was a girl, it taught me to hate myself, not boys and men.
The women, estimated to be between about 18 and 19 years old, had gone to the home of three men late Friday night in the northern California town of Stockton, according to Stockton Police. After the men asked to have sex and the women refused, the men kicked the girls out, Stockton Police Department Public Information Officer Joseph Silva told ThinkProgress. When the women started to leave, multiple shots were fired, but none of the women were injured, Silva said. The women fled the area to a nearby Buffalo Wild Wings, where they called police.Jesus fucking Christ. Why won't this shit stop already.
All three girls corroborated the story, according to Silva. The security guard in the building also heard the shots and called the police independently. Silva said eight shell casings were found at the crime scene, but the men cannot be found. He does not know whether the gun was possessed legally.
At this camp, an incident happened that would scar me for life. The first time that I was treated badly by a girl occurred at this camp. I was innocently playing with the friends I made, and they were tickling me, something people always did because I was very ticklish. I accidently bumped into a pretty girl the same age as me, and she got very angry. She cursed at me and pushed me, embarrassing me in front of my friends. I didn¡¯t know who this girl was¡ She was only at Pinecrest for summer camp¡ But she was very pretty, and she was taller than me. I immediately froze up and went into a state of shock. One of my friends asked me if I was ok, and I didn¡¯t answer. I remained very quiet for the rest of the day. I couldn¡¯t believe what had happened. Cruel treatment from women is ten times worse than from men. It made me feel like an insignificant, unworthy little mouse. I felt so small and vulnerable.posted by leopard at 9:00 AM on May 27, 2014 [3 favorites]
I couldn¡¯t believe that this girl was so horrible to me, and I thought that it was because she viewed me as a loser. That was the first experience of female cruelty I endured, and it traumatized me to no end. It made me even more nervous around girls, and I would be extremely weary and cautious of them from that point on.
Before summer camp ended, I saw that same girl hanging out with Oren Aks a few times. Oren Aks was one of the popular kids in my grade. I hated Oren so much when I saw him with her. It made me feel so inferior¡ that this girl was mean to me and yet she liked Oren. Thankfully, Oren wouldn¡¯t be returning to Pinecrest for Seventh Grade, and I would never see him again. I wonder what became of him¡ I bet he lived a good life.
I felt relieved when summer camp ended. That experience with the mean girl ruined it for me. Hell, it ruined a part of my life. Whenever I think about summer camp I would think about that girl, and my emotions would flare up.
Astaire said that Elliot Rodger was never diagnosed with Asperger¡¯s (his family ¡°suspected he was on the spectrum¡±), had no friends, and was very shy. Astaire told the Times, ¡°He was fundamentally withdrawn. The guy on the video was much more confident. That is a guy I never met.¡±To say I'm mad about how this has been handled by the media and stuff is an understatement. Everyone I've talked to about this in real life has somehow mentioned something about him being autistic, and I was on board as well and discussing it as if this was a done deal and he had a professional diagnosis.
Around 1000 Pakistani women are killed every year by their families in honour killings, according to Pakistani rights group the Aurat Foundation.
The true figure is probably many times higher [...]
Today I was waiting in line for lunch at the cafeteria when a group of boys started pointing a laser at my breasts. For a moment, I tried to ignore them. I was wearing a short dress and my breasts are a bit larger than most peoples, so in a low cut shirt, they are more noticeable (but they were not so noticeable as to pop out of my dress). I played it off cool and ignored them. Then they started making comments about me, saying very inappropriate things about what they wanted to do to me and continued to point the laser at me.Trimmed only so as not to be overwhelming...see the whole story here. The same basic themes over and over and over.
I dropped everything and snapped. Putting my backpack down, I walked directly over to them, FUMING with a red face and immediately went off on them. [snip]
They stared at me for a long moment, some of them trying to hold back a laugh as one then got up, holding up his hands as he proceeded to nod, apologizing for his actions and extending his arms. He seemed as though he was actually, genuinely sorry, so I nodded, thanking him as he then asked if he could hug me for standing up for myself. When I went in for a hug, he proceeded to grab my ass, going INTO my dress. [snip]
Then he tried to hit me. He grabbed my arm with one hand, raising the other to what I assume was to smack me in the face, so I immediately raised my arm and punched him in the nose. [snip]
When teachers finally pulled me out of the cafeteria, they immediately started blaming ME. ¡°You should have ignored him.¡±
Elliott Rodger is treated as a scapegoat, to be loaded up with the sins of society and sent into the wilderness.A scapegoat is an innocent chosen by society to be driven out as a metaphorical bearer of its sins. Elliot Rodger killed people.
We are not the lovable nerdy protagonist who¡¯s lovable because he¡¯s the protagonist. We¡¯re not guaranteed to get laid by the hot chick of our dreams as long as we work hard enough at it. There isn¡¯t a team of writers or a studio audience pulling for us to triumph by ¡°getting the girl¡± in the end. And when our clever ruses and schemes to ¡°get girls¡± fail, it¡¯s not because the girls are too stupid or too bitchy or too shallow to play by those unwritten rules we¡¯ve absorbed.posted by ArkhanJG at 1:32 AM on May 28, 2014 [28 favorites]
It¡¯s because other people¡¯s bodies and other people¡¯s love are not something that can be taken nor even something that can be earned¡ªthey can be given freely, by choice, or not.
Rodger¡¯s gendered snuff dreams are the stock of so many male internet trolls. Indeed he evinces the classic psychology of the troll in his 'manifesto': "It felt horrible to be teased and bullied ¡ but at the same time I got a kick out of getting so much attention." The difference is that he then enacts the fantasies that make below-the-line comments cesspits.Richard Seymour: Taking Elliot Rodger Seriously
The element of performance, articulating the baseline ideology of the internet misogynist in the idiom of pulp fiction, continued to the horrifying end. In the final video before the massacre, his assumed persona, always unconvincing, became a caricature. [...] He impersonated the "godlike" power that, in a sense, he always believed himself entitled to. Except that, it wasn't just an act. It really was heartstoppingly terrifying. He really did mean to kill.
We need to look square in the face the very real and tenable possibility that he made a calculated, rational choice according to the beliefs and feelings that he had. He didn¡¯t need to be mentally ill. He just had to hold the beliefs that he had and the experiences that led to his feelings.posted by cybercoitus interruptus at 1:52 PM on May 28, 2014 [16 favorites]
This reality is frightening because it forces us to confront the fact that. . . our own beliefs can, in fact, have real world, life or death consequences. And it raises that uncomfortable possibility that we ourselves might hold destructive, false beliefs unawares. That some of the decisions we may have made, and may make in the future, were and will be based on false beliefs, and may be very wrong, evil actions though we believe them to be right and justified.
. . . The champions of patriarchy are coming out of the woodwork in the aftermath of the shooting. Patriarchy has been exposed for what it is. This revelation threatens to weaken the freedom of men to use lesser amounts of violence to control and oppress women in their daily lives. Every time an individual ridicules the idea of a rape culture, or ridicules the idea that American culture is patriarchal and misogynistic, they are choosing to defend a system they like. They are choosing to defend systematic misogyny ¨C that is, to protect their freedom to use overt and covert force against and upon women.
Unfortunately, modern technology aids in cutoff. It¡¯s easy to screen calls or block each other on Facebook. Psychology Today¡¯s Elizabeth Svoboda writes, ¡°Remote shortcuts like electronic endings look deceptively appealing¡ªalthough, at the very least, they chip away at the self-respect of the dumpers and deprive dumpees of a needed shot at closure.¡± She says it¡¯s ¡°contributing to large increases in stalking behavior¡More than 3 million people report being stalking victims each year, the ultimate measure of collective cluelessness about ending love affairs well.¡±Remember, this is not a sexually frustrated, cripplingly inadequate college student - this is a wealthy, adult man with a career in technology. So, yeah, toxic entitlement is happening all over, basically.
I believe that most domestic violence is the result of men with trauma histories reacting to powerlessness in response to experiences with their ex, friends, or family. Certainly men are responsible for finding nonviolent ways to respond to feeling powerless, but culturally we need to understand the dynamics driving these kinds of situations if we¡¯re to reduce them.
Psychology Today¡¯s Elizabeth Svoboda writes, ¡°Remote shortcuts like electronic endings look deceptively appealing¡ªalthough, at the very least, they chip away at the self-respect of the dumpers and deprive dumpees of a needed shot at closure.¡± She says it¡¯s ¡°contributing to large increases in stalking behavior¡More than 3 million people report being stalking victims each year, the ultimate measure of collective cluelessness about ending love affairs well.¡±See, it was her fault, and he didn't know he was doing anything wrong.
A Pakistani man demanding justice after his pregnant wife was murdered outside Lahore's high court this week admitted on Thursday to strangling his first wife [...] Police confirmed that the killing had happened six years ago and that he was released after a "compromise" with his family.posted by Joe in Australia at 5:27 PM on May 29, 2014 [7 favorites]
#YesAllWomen - because we think twice about saying "the mens" lest our mockery triggers a murderous rage.
Rugg said his roommate informed him that he believed Rodger had a firearm because he could hear a gun "clicking."From earlier reporting:
"I didn't hear the clicks, but he said that he would click the gun over and over and the way the room is set up you could see the silhouette of everything that's going on there."
While his roommate was a man of few words and seemed to be eager to avoid conversation, Rugg said he heard him having what he presumed to be telephone conversations from his bedroom that got "angrier and louder."
He decided to climb onto a wooden ledge and plop onto a chair. Some partiers eventually climbed onto the ledge, too. But since the students weren't talking to him, Rodger snapped.I wonder what Rugg thinks he could have done.
"That was the last straw," he wrote. "A dark, hate-fueled rage overcame my entire being, and I tried to push as many of them as I could from the 10-foot ledge."
He didn't succeed. The students pushed him back, and Rodger fell onto the street, breaking his ankle.
[Ammon Hennacy] said, "You've got to be a pacifist."-- from the audio [yt] of his recording w. Ani DiFranco; similar story in this text interview.
I said "why?" He said, "It'll save your life." My behavior was very violent then. I said, "What is it?"
He said, "Well, I can't give you a book by Ghandi, you wouldn't understand it. I can't give you a list of rules and if you sign it you're a pacifist." He said, "You look at it like booze. You know, alcoholism will kill somebody until they finally get the courage to sit in a circle of people like that and put their hand in the air and say 'Hi, my name's Utah, I'm an alcoholic.' And then you can begin to deal with the behavior, see? And have the people define it for you whose lives have been destroyed." He said, "It's the same with violence, you know, an alcoholic -- they could be dry for twenty years, they're never going to sit in that circle, put their hand up and say 'Well, I'm not an alcoholic anymore', No, they'd still do it, put their hand up and say 'Hi, my name's Utah, I'm an alcoholic.' So, it's the same with violence. You've got to be able to put your hand in the air and acknowledge your capacity for violence, and then deal with the behavior, and have the people whose lives it's messed with define that behavior for you. And it's not going to go away, you're going to be dealing with it every moment, in every situation, for the rest of your life."
I say, "Okay, I'll try that." And Ammon said, "It's not enough."
I said, "Oh."
He said, "You were born a white man in mid-twentieth century industrial America. You came into the world armed to the teeth with an arsenal of weapons. The weapons of privilege: racial privilege, sexual privilege, economic privilege. You want to be a pacifist, it's not just giving up guns and knives and clubs and fists and angry words but giving up the weapons of privilege, and going into the world completely disarmed."
That old man has been gone now twenty years and I'm still at it. But I figure if there's a worthwhile struggle in my own life, that's probably the one.
One of my dark, early reactions to the shooting was that I wished someone had just slept with Rodger. Obviously, that¡¯s not the real problem. But is there something women can do to defuse what you call ¡°toxic masculinity¡±?posted by palomar at 11:53 PM on May 30, 2014 [22 favorites]
Honestly, it¡¯s not women¡¯s fault. Women aren¡¯t the gender police. You¡¯re not going to see as many women complaining or punishing a guy for being willing to show more emotions the way you¡¯re going to see men telling a guy, Don¡¯t be a pussy, man up. It¡¯s not on women to change men; it¡¯s on men to change themselves. We already put so much unfair responsibility on women when we say things like boys will be boys and women have to dress modestly because men can¡¯t control themselves. That¡¯s bullshit. Saying that it¡¯s women¡¯s responsibility is a way for men to absolve themselves. Even if someone had slept with Elliot Rodger it wouldn¡¯t have fixed anything. If he had had a girlfriend she probably would have been his first target.
When I thought about all of this, I truly did feel sick. I felt a shiver run through me. My whole world had become so twisted and wrong. I didn¡¯t want it to come to this. I desperately wanted a way out.The psychiatrist Theodore Dalrymple has a long-running concern about the use of "the passive mood and other modes of speech that are supposed to indicate [criminals'] helplessness":
As it happens, there are three stabbers (two of them unto death) at present in the prison who used precisely the same expression when describing to me what happened. ¡°The knife went in,¡± they said when pressed to recover their allegedly lost memories of the deed.Dalrymple may ultimately take his observation too far, but he very much has a point. It's interesting that Rodger uses this passive framing even within his own manifesto, which he had presumably composed in the belief that people reading it would ultimately see things from his point of view.
The knife went in¡ªunguided by human hand, apparently. That the long-hated victims were sought out, and the knives carried to the scene of the crimes, was as nothing compared with the willpower possessed by the inanimate knives themselves, which determined the unfortunate outcome. [source]
I had no talents, so it was impossible for me to become a professional actor, musician, or athlete; and those were usually the ways that young people acquired such money. I could invent something, or start a business just like Mark Zuckerberg did with Facebook, but the chances of me achieving such a thing were the same chances I had of winning the lottery anyway. I didn¡¯t even have the skills of a computer programmer.Wouldn't it be more typical for somebody so apparently narcissistic to be more delusional? I mean, how could he be a supreme gentleman if he is also aware that others are more talented than he is, let alone more handsome or more wealthy?
I know that you're pretty certainly going to get a bunch of men's rights 'activists' sending you mysogonist hate as a result of your article about the everday fear of violence. I'm sorry for that; I just wanted to send you something positive, and thank you.That thank you goes out to the women who've participated here too. That eye-opening discussion for me was the 'Whatcha Reading' thread right here on metafilter, and the follow-up metatalk; almost 5 years ago now, yet it seems like last week.
It was writing (and follow on discussion) similar to yours that opened my eyes a few years ago, to what women face that I just didn't realise was there. I couldn't possibly say I understand what so many women go through at the hands of men; but I am trying to, by listening to the stories women share every chance I get, and am grateful for that opportunity to learn new perspectives.
That men think they are owed something by women, that women have some responsibility to give men what they want is so horribly wrong, and yet so embedded in our culture. It shouldn't be women's responsibility to fix that, yet somehow that's gotten dumped on female shoulders as well. And I'm sorry for that too.
I'm sure that your article will reach out to others. It's not enough to be a decent man; that's the bare minimum that should be expected! We must also teach our sons, our brothers, our friends how to be real men - to treat women with respect, as the people they are, protagonists in their own stories and not beholden to 'owe' us anything.
It's not your job to fix us and the toxic culture that teaches men they are more important than women, but thank you for taking on a part of that burden anyway, shedding some light on what happens - what all women know and experience, but men ignore or hide from even if they don't do it themselves.
So, simply; great article, and thank you for writing it.
In a fascinating op-ed piece last year, T.M. Luhrmann noted that when schizophrenics hear voices in India, they¡¯re more likely to be told to clean the house, while Americans are more likely to be told to become violent. Culture matters. Or as my friend, the criminal-defense investigator who knows insanity and violence intimately, put it, ¡°When one begins to lose touch with reality, the ill brain latches obsessively and delusionally onto whatever it¡¯s immersed in -- the surrounding culture's illness.¡±posted by Asparagus at 7:30 AM on June 2, 2014 [17 favorites]
The evidence presented here suggests that judicial demographics have little influence on prison sentences in general, but do impact racial and gender disparities. The findings regarding gender in the case of serious offenses are quite striking: the greater the proportion of female judges in a district, the lower the gender disparity for that district. I interpret this as evidence of a paternalistic bias among male judges that favors women.
-M. Schazenbach, "Racial and Gender Disparities in Prison Sentences: The Effect of District-Level Judicial Demographics" Journal of Legal Studies, Vol. 34, No. 1, pp. 57-92, January 2005
One of the things that is true is that people who have primary custody of minor children are often given shorter sentences or are more likely to get probation. The fact that, in a country where most children have one male and female parent, you're still seeing mostly women getting this benefit tells you more about generalized gender roles and/or sexism in our society than decontextualized statsSo... dismantle patriarchy and that inequality pretty much clears right up, I think!
Hi there! It appears you are about to say or type "not all X!" in a conversation with a member or members of marginalized or persecuted group telling you about aggression directed towards them. Below is a short and simple guide to what you should know before doing so. For today's demonstration, we will be talking about "not all men," but this guide is quite versatile and can be used in conversations about other groups. Let's begin!posted by zombieflanders at 9:42 AM on June 2, 2014 [31 favorites]
1) Are you literally interrupting them or otherwise stopping them from talking? If so, please STFU and let them finish, because c'mon, you weren't raised by wolves. If not, continue to step 2.
2) Are you or someone you know guilty of the behavior being described, and do you wish to defend yourself and/or others Because Feminazis Amirite? This includes making huffy generalizations like "feminists do THIS and won't let you say otherwise" or rules-lawyering such as "but you didn't specify an exact percentage that I can refute and therefore YOU'RE WRONG" and similar constructions that are easily debunked. If so, you are the problem, so please STFU and go away until you can have an honest conversation or are able to get your head out of your ass. If not, continue to step 3.
3) Are you worried about being guilty of the behavior being described, but consider yourself a feminist and/or an ally? If so, kindly wait and listen to what is being said, mull over why the behavior may be a problem, and ask for why that may be. As with step 2, don't start in with stupid generalizations and rules-lawyering. Also, don't get super defensive, or blame them for not being nice enough, or otherwise say that it's all their fault that more people aren't allies (see step 2). If not, continue to step 4.
4) Are you not guilty of the behavior being described? Great! They aren't talking about you, which is usually extremely clear given the context, or by the fact that they used a conditional such as "I hate it when men do [foo]." You are free to engage in the conversation as if you aren't the focus of it or the butt of a joke, because you aren't. Do not, under any circumstance, make it all about you and how good you've been but how offended you are, or go on about how this makes you not want to be a feminist/ally, or even worse mutter darkly that this is what makes people misogynists/sexists. That's derailing the conversation to make it about how it affects you, and that isn't necessary. If not, continue to step 5.
5) Are you interested in hearing what they have to say, and do you understand it and want to help? Fantastic! Continue being awesome.
"[An alcoholic] could be dry for twenty years, they're never going to sit in that circle, put their hand up and say 'Well, I'm not an alcoholic anymore', No, they'd still do it, put their hand up and say 'Hi, my name's Utah, I'm an alcoholic.' So, it's the same with violence. You've got to be able to put your hand in the air and acknowledge your capacity for violence, and then deal with the behavior, and have the people whose lives it's messed with define that behavior for you. And it's not going to go away, you're going to be dealing with it every moment, in every situation, for the rest of your life."it's that latter option that he is referring to. He's talking about listening to the people who are in group B tell you how the oppression harms them -- letting them define it -- and being actively mindful of how you, as a member of group A, might be in danger of falling off the wagon and contributing to their oppression.
"You came into the world armed to the teeth with an arsenal of weapons. The weapons of privilege: racial privilege, sexual privilege, economic privilege. You want to be a pacifist, it's not just giving up guns and knives and clubs and fists and angry words but giving up the weapons of privilege, and going into the world completely disarmed."Which is to say: if you are in a position of privilege, you cannot see everything you do that contributes to the oppression of those below you. It's the invisible knapsack idea: you wield power -- even simply by dint of access to extra resources & social capital -- over others which you yourself may be unaware of. That's why it's important to acknowledge that sexism, racism, classism, &c are real and frequently VERY subtle, and allow the people who are on the receiving end of it (women, minorities, the poor) define the problem for you.
Firearm Access and Intimate Partner HomicideFrom a FactSheet (pdf link) published by the Center for Gun Policy and Research, part of the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.
Compared to homes without guns, the presence of guns in the home is associated with a 3-fold increased homicide risk within the home. The risk connected to gun ownership increases to 8-fold when the offender is an intimate partner or relative of the victim and is 20 times higher when previous domestic violence exists.
A study of risk factors for violent death of women in the home found that women living in homes with 1 or more guns were more than 3 times more likely to be killed in their homes. The same study concluded that women killed by a spouse, intimate acquaintance, or close relative were 7 times more likely to live in homes with 1 or more guns and 14 times more likely to have a history of prior domestic violence compared to women killed by non-intimate acquaintances.
Family and intimate assaults with firearms are 12 times more likely to result in death than non- firearm assaults. This research suggests that limiting access to guns will result in less lethal family and intimate assaults.
A study of women physically abused by current or former intimate partners revealed a 5-fold increased risk of the partner murdering the woman when the partner owned a firearm. In fact, homicide risks were found to be 50% higher for female handgun purchasers in California compared with licensed drivers matched by sex, race, and age group. Among the women handgun purchasers who were murdered, 45% were killed by an intimate partner using a gun. In contrast, 20% of all women murdered in California during the study period were killed with a gun by an intimate partner.
The ultimate evil behind sexuality is the human female. They are the main instigators of sex. They control which men get it and which men don't. Women are flawed creatures, and my mistreatment at their hands has made me realize this sad truth. There is something very twisted and wrong with the way their brains are wired. They think like beasts and in truth they are beasts. Women are incapable of having morals or thinking rationally. They are completely controlled by their depraved emotions and vile sexual impulses. Because of this, the men who get to experience the pleasures of sex and the privilege of breeding are the men who women are sexually attracted to...the stupid, degenerate, obnoxious men. I have observed this all my life. The most beautiful women choose to mate with the most brutal men, instead of a magnificent gentlemen like myself.To a passage from a work which became the basis for the persecution of witches beginning in the 15th Century and leading ultimately to the execution of more than 40,000 (mainly) women and the torture of many more, the Malleus Maleficarum:
Women should not have the right to choose who to mate and breed with. The decision should be made for them by rational men of intelligence. If women continue to have rights, they will only hinder the advancement of the human race by breeding with degenerate men and creating stupid degenerate, stupid offspring. This will cause humanity to become even more depraved with each generation. Women have more power in society than they deserve, all because of sex. There is no creature more depraved and evil than the human female.
Women are like a plague. They don't deserve to have any rights. Their wickedness must be contained in order to prevent future generations from falling to degeneracy. Women are vicious, evil, barbaric animals, and they deserve to be treated as such.
There is also, concerning witches who copulate with devils, much difficulty in considering the methods by which such abominations are consummated.Vicious, murderous misogyny recurs in every generation, and in startlingly similar forms in apparently very different contexts. I'd very much like to think it is not innate, but I'm no longer so sure.
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Therefore, let us now chiefly consider women; and first, why this kind of perfidy is found more in so fragile a sex than in men. And our inquiry will first be general, as to the general conditions of women; secondly, particular, as to which sort of women are found to be given to superstition and witchcraft; and thirdly, specifically with regard to midwives, who surpass all others in wickedness.
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Now the wickedness of women is spoken of in Ecclesiasticus xxv: There is no head above the head of a serpent: and there is no wrath above the wrath of a woman. I had rather dwell with a lion and a dragon than to keep house with a wicked woman. And among much which in that place precedes and follows about a wicked woman, he concludes: All wickedness is but little to the wickedness of a woman. Wherefore S. John Chrysostom says on the text, It is not good to marry (S. Matthew xix): What else is woman but a foe to friendship, an unescapable punishment, a necessary evil, a natural temptation, a desirable calamity, a domestic danger, a delectable detriment, an evil of nature, painted with fair colours! Therefore if it be a sin to divorce her when she ought to be kept, it is indeed a necessary torture; for either we commit adultery by divorcing her, or we must endure daily strife. Cicero in his second book of The Rhetorics says: The many lusts of men lead them into one sin, but the lust of women leads them into all sins; for the root of all woman's vices is avarice. And Seneca says in his Tragedies: A woman either loves or hates; there is no third grade. And the tears of woman are a deception, for they may spring from true grief, or they may be a snare. When a woman thinks alone, she thinks evil.
Unless you live in a world where "abuser" is synonymous with "Mafia assassin", it seems beyond paranoid to be worried about the likelihood of poison or car bomb/brake sabotage or anvil dropped from a great height should said abuser find out you're armed.posted by palomar at 9:14 AM on June 4, 2014 [1 favorite]
"Note: For three reasons, it is likely that these figures are lower than the actual prevalence. First, the data represent approximately 85-90% of police department reports, and therefore do not offer a complete measure of homicides. Second, FBI data do not include a category for former dating relationships (e.g., ex-boyfriend). Third, many relationships reported as ¡°friends¡± or ¡°acquaintances¡± may in fact be current or former intimate partners."So if anything the situation regarding women being murdered by exes is probably worse than that reflected in klang's linked statistics.
¡°We have received numerous calls and threats and are concerned for the safety and well-being of our employees, our guests and your attendees,¡± hotel officials wrote in a letter dated Thursday to Paul Elam, A Voice for Men¡¯s founder and publisher.A Voice for Men are not the ones who want the increased security, but they are the ones who have to pay for it. Why shouldn't they ask their supporters for help?
¡°The threats have escalated to include death threats, physical violence against our staff and and other guests as well as damage to the property.¡±
Fort Shelby owner Emmett Moten said he wasn¡¯t aware of the conference or threats, but said it¡¯s not unusual for hotels to require additional security.posted by zombieflanders at 11:52 AM on June 4, 2014 [5 favorites]
Officer Adam Madera, a Detroit police spokesman, confirmed hotel officials recently contacted the department about hiring off-duty officers who work in the Secondary Employment program. The program was established by the city in 2011 and allows uniformed off-duty officers to moonlight as security guards.
¡°We provided them with information about the program, but other than that, we haven¡¯t received any word about threats,¡± he said.
After the tirade, Lewis and Co. picked up where they left off in the song about suicide.Also love the matter-of-factness of this: After the video went viral, Lewis took to Twitter Tuesday to explain his reaction, saying he¡¯s ¡°not sure how anyone in my shoes would¡¯ve reacted differently.¡±
Sometimes the boners want to warn us, as in ¡°Maybe that HitlerBieber?-looking dude out in California wouldn¡¯t have shot so many people if some chick had just touched his boner. Guys get so lonely, you really don¡¯t understand what it¡¯s like.¡±Captain Awkward does love a Buffy reference.
Are you fucking serious, boner-owners? There is not a disapproving mom look IN THE UNIVERSE that is withering enough for this. Imagine being That Girl for a moment, the heroine who sacrifices herself so that others might live, delivering the sad lifesaving handy to the twisted boy with the guns in his murder van. Buffy the Boner-slayer. The Chosen One. Do you think it stops there? Do you think she gets to walk out of that van, out of that relationship, alive? Best case scenario she just postpones it for a little while, and then when the shooting starts, it starts with her.
Witnesses told police one of the shooters yelled ¡°This is the start of a revolution¡± before shooting the officers. Gillespie later said he could not confirm that.posted by zombieflanders at 4:10 AM on June 9, 2014
The shooters then stripped the officers of their weapons and ammunition and badges, according to a law enforcement official with knowledge of the investigation. They then covered the officers with something that featured the Gadsden flag, a yellow banner with a coiled snake above the words, ¡°Don¡¯t tread on Me.¡±
The flag is named for Christopher Gadsden a Revolutionary War general who designed it. It has recently come back in vogue as an adopted symbol of the American tea party movement
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The shooters were a married couple thought to be in their late 20s who were new to the Las Vegas Valley, according to a law enforcement official close to the investigation. Police are looking into their links to the white supremacy movement and found swastika symbols during their initial investigation.
Residents of the Bruce Street apartment complex gathered outside the building to talk about the couple whose unit was being searched.
Several neighbors identified the man as Jared, while one called the woman Amanda.
Like many of the neighbors contacted, Krista Koch said she didn¡¯t know the couple¡¯s last names. She described them as ¡°militant.¡± They talked about planning to kill police officers, ¡°going underground¡± and not coming out until the time was right to kill.
Brandon Monroe, 22, has lived in the complex for about two weeks. He said the man who lived in the apartment that was being searched often rambled about conspiracy theories. He often wore camouflage or dressed as Peter Pan to work as a Fremont Street Experience street performer. A woman lived with him, Monroe said, but he didn¡¯t see her as often.
They were weird people, Monroe said, adding that he thought the couple used methamphetamine.
¡°The man told Monroe he had been kicked off Cliven Bundy¡¯s ranch 80 miles northeast of Las Vegas while people from throughout the U.S. gathered there in protest of a Bureau of Land Management roundup of Bundy¡¯s cattle.¡± Jessica Anderson, 27, said. She lived next door.
Colleges and universities are being educated by Washington and are finding the experience excruciating. They are learning that when they say campus victimizations are ubiquitous (¡°micro-aggressions,¡± often not discernible to the untutored eye, are everywhere), and that when they make victimhood a coveted status that confers privileges, victims proliferate. And academia¡¯s progressivism has rendered it intellectually defenseless now that progressivism¡¯s achievement, the regulatory state, has decided it is academia¡¯s turn to be broken to government¡¯s saddle.posted by rtha at 1:02 PM on June 9, 2014 [1 favorite]
"Who are these young surplus males? First, they are not equivalent to the bachelors of the West. Single men in the West are not surplus males: Indeed they can and often do form semipermanent attachments to women and produce children in that context."
Yeah, but before we do that we have to convince people that the culture which exists is toxic, and so long as we still have guys who are still having the "not all men" knee-jerk response to such discussions, that ain't gonna happen.What I meant was that it is going to take a lot more than just the percentage of guys who are on board with this plan starting to raise their sons better, because the sons of the "not all men" guys are going to still be around. So just working on the kids alone isn't going to do it all, we need to also work on getting all the fathers on board with the idea that there is a problem to be solved.
These rumors and stories have been around for years.And lawsuits! Don't forget the lawsuits!
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Wait, there's a message board devoted to hatred of PUAs, but through the lens of misogyny? What? Huh? B-barf?
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